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Yes. This is the only Metallica thread to now post in. If anyone comes across any stray Lars Ulrich bitching then post the link in here and it get's a merging.

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I couldn't find it. Want your old job back?

Nope...:D

Stop re-enacting it then ;)

I bitch as a seasoned forum goer and long time member. That's all. Sorry if it seems nitpicky...:\

This is the new thread. End Of.

I don't like the new one, i prefer the old one.

Well i think they get an unfair shake. Everyone bitchs about them but they gave me a ton of musical treasures. They've done quite a bit for music and they're treated like hacks.

Master Of Puppets blew my balls off when it first came out and a listen a few days confirmed to me that it's still one of the best Metal albums ever made. That riff in Orion is sublime.

gabrielle y rodrigo cover exceptionally well...




if if your nazi home government won't allow it to play or theres an embed issue, try going directly to YouTube - Rodrigo y Gabriela- Orion (Full song no video)

They should have ceased from making music after their original bassist passed away during the time of "Master of Puppet's" release. It seems that everything afterwards made them sellouts or otherwise figures of ridicule: Making a video for "One," from "...And Justice For All"; streamlining their sound, becoming a pop act with the Black Album; becoming very confused with "Load" and "Reload," the infamous Napster brouhaha, and we all know what happened with St. Anger. It doesn't help that they've been photographed coming out of A-list stores in downtown New York.

The point is that they are no longer [quality] Thrash, in attitude as in sound. It seems they lost their honesty when they lost their youth, which is what happened with U2. U2 was a fantastic band before The Joshua Tree, and they did release a pretty good album in "Achtung Baby," but Bono has become a caricature, a satire, of who he used to be.

That is absolutely fucking brilliant. It's a virtual note for note recreation but it still has it's own identity. I was worried to how they would manage the breakdown and subsequent guitar harmonies but that was glorious. I need to get this for sure.

Just the same, U2 and Metallica's cataloge is about 9 times better than most other bands.

The problem with the sell out thing is that they played metal. And like punk, its a race toward the bottom with who can do the most without appearing to distance themselves from the anti-social clown who can't wash his hair or talk to girls.

Thats who determines the "sell out" line. If you clung to metallica like a newborn suckeling from the teet because they made you feel good, and then they cut your hair and you disowned them like an Italian-american who came home preggers one day, well thats the individuals problem, and certianly not Metallica's.

Too many pussy-ass metal heads truely believe that metal is a religion, but its a security blanket from a large number of these greased up ****s to never get over their own problems, they're just going to hop on a microphone and pretend to be a dragon or some ****ed up **** because if they can't be loved they want to be feared. This is the reason for so many metal sub-genres.

Note: Metal subgenres are a classy way for metal bands to vote on who could beat up who; do you like vikings? aliens? dragons? robots?

And the sad reality is, that all of these raging vaginas and their fantasy conquerors would all be dismantled by any mildly attractive female speaking to them at a party.

If you don't like Metallica, fine. I can respect that, but they played what they wanted, and few bands today have a 5th album that sounds like the first. in fact I'd say no bands have a 5th album that sounds like the first, and all they're doing is exploring new avenues, but not ****ing metallica, they're selling out.

Why? Because their fan base back in the 80's wasn't cool enough to listen to Motley Crue, or Prince.

I read a web page once, it may still be out there, called Alternica and it was a whole big bitch fest because they cut their hair. it was some sort of turncoat move according to them but when faced with the choice of looking normal or like ****ing dio, I'm not going to have a bozo the clown weave while the crown of my head has such a reflective surface you can see your face in it.

I think the fact that virtually everything that they have put out after Cliff burton's death has been so deeply analysed and dissected the fact that both Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets are STILL brilliant albums get's completely overlooked which is a shame.

Many many bands struggle to make one truly great album, especially Metal bands and for an album that is over 22 years old to still stand proud in the upper echelons is still a great achievement.

Most metal bands couldn't make an album as strong as And Justice For All either and wouldn't you know Cliff only wrote 1 song for that.

But if people want to disregard that because simply because they recorded a video then they can be my guest.

I have incalculable respect for Metallica. I think that in a stuffed genre like Thrash, they did things differently, and better even, and that made the genre popular. The reasons I posted above are what I've heard are criticism against Metallica. I think its a load of ****.

...And Justice For All's crappy production made it fiercer to me than Master of Puppets, and the Black album was just what they needed to stay relevant. I think that they are survivors in a genre that is often misunderstood (and thanks to all its ridiculous subgenres, ridiculed).

I hate ...and Justice For All. The production is terrible.

It's amazing how much of a contrast ...And Justice For All has with the Black album.

I think the simple fact is that Metallica got too big before their time. With Burton's demise they lost their way and I'm sure we would have seen them exploring many musical avenues with a lot more focus. it's almost as if they tried too hard with each subsequent release. Thrash Metal is not the sort of music that should be put upon a pedestal and invite allcomers to throw stones. It's a musical niche that Metallica unfortunately seemed to step out of.

Best Metallica rant, ever. Great post!

That's a fantastic way of looking at it.

I like Kill Em All a good deal.

If an individual dislikes Metallica and can back it up with a constructive argument and/or reasons for that then I have no problem. However I cannot begin to describe how much I hate certain people who hate Metallica because of a) solely how much of a **** Lars Ulrich is, b) the whole Napster debate, c) their work after ...Justice For All or d) "selling out".

The fact that they have put out certainly underwhelming or disappointing material since AJFA doesnt change the fact they had 4 pretty solid records before that. That is of course based on the belief that you USED to like Metallica, and you USED to like their earlier material that is now for some reason completely irrelevant.

I think they get a lot more stick than they deserve too. On the other hand there are certain people out there to whom Metallica are the beginning, the middle and the end. These people will buy every piece of overpriced Metallica merchandise and ignore the existence of any other heavy metal band. These people are just as much to blame.

I'm pretty much indifferent to rabid Metallica haters and rabid Metallica fanboys alike. I've never been one to let other people color my opinion on a band.

I enjoy the early albums a lot. For some reason I never looked into Death Magnetic.

i can get behind that, for some reason the album I remember the most fondly, it's much punkier like all the early thrash albums I guess. Every note on 'Ride the Lightning' just sounds planned out because the album is so synonymous with anthemic thrash greatness. Kill em all is just a lot more raw. I don't know it's weird listening to Metallica now, it's like treading on hallowed nostalgic ground, it takes me back too much

Kill Em All is my favourite too. Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets may be musically better albums? Depends which way you look at it. Kill Em All's dirtier, messier and the more enjoyable for me.

i don't get this, what did he do wrong again? I think he brings a lot of comedy value to a band who, let's face it, were always a bit juvenile whilst taking themselves too seriously

Plus the Napster debate was always ridiculous, if you're a musician with that much marketing power you are going to protect your interests, and it was all in vain anyway because the industry is dying on it's arse

I didnt claim Lars Ulrich was a **** rather just that it is a fairly popular opinion although I must admit I do share that opinion. Theres always ego's in music but Lars' is huge and he just doesnt quite back his up I think. Its been debated on here before whether he's a bad drummer or just has an unusual technique but either way he's just a little too arrogant and ****y for my liking. On the other hand he has contributed a lot to what Metallica are and have been in the past.

I never understood the backlash to the Napster lawsuit either. I've made my opinion fairly clear on this site before when it comes to that at the expense of Adidass and what I didnt realise at the time was a 4 year old rant :bonkhead:. It was a fairly hotheaded response in retrospect but the footage of all of those Metallica "fans" burning albums because of it? Thats just pathetic, plus it really doesnt make any sense because in essence all they were doing were burning money from their own pocket that is now in the pockets of the band they were protesting against. They really showed them!

i was expressing confusion at the popular opinion you brought up rather than you personally! He is arrogant but in the context of drummers for huge heavy metal bands he is probably entitled, and especially for fledgling bands that kind of self belief can carry you further. He seemed quite reasonable in that hilarious documentary filmed around St.Anger's release (god that album sucked), I loved the bit when he sold his collection of horrible paintings on the advice of the his rock therapist. :p:

At times I suppose I did laugh but did you not also think he came across as petulant and a bit of a spoilt brat that wanted things all his own way? That album certainly did suck, whenever I have watched that film I've always thought "I'll give St. Anger one more chance" and then when I do realise it still sucks.

yeah he's a d*ck, but the speech impediment/ weird accent he has makes me laugh and it's not possible to take him seriously. Really have to see that film again. I'm sure you like everybody else BOUGHT St.Anger when it came out, i was living in denial for a few weeks with that, I even bought a copy to send in the post to my brother, it was a big deal. Artwork was brilliant though

I wasnt really a big Metallica fan until after Reload had already been released so for me it was the first studio album released as a fan so I bought it the day it came out. What a major disappointment. Its definitely all about the first 4 albums for me, plus S&M. Garage Inc wasnt that bad either.

Also, i'd like to point out that the 4 to 5 good albums the band put out came out first.

But with bands like Zeppelin, who arguably put out the same amount of crap, they get a pass because their good 4 albums came in the middle.

Same with the Stones. If you suck to begin with, and suck at the end, you didn't sell out. But if you're good at the outset and tapper off, well then you did it all for the money.

good point, and the kind of person that throws around terms like 'sellout' in the context of Metallica are devotees/kids with a very narrow view anyway... i mean was there ever any indication that these bands weren't trying to earn as much money as possible in the first place? No. So shattap.

But then again metal isn't my life so I can never get too passionate about it or contribute to all the metal subgenre clashes that go on in the backwaters of this forum. 'dude electric wizard is doom sludge not stoner drone!'

Dude, Electric Wizard IS Sludge! :D

saint anger worst cd, . . kill em all, ride the lightning, master of puppets, best 3

I'm not really a fan of Kill 'Em All, I would say it's worse than the Black Album and about on par with Load. But then, I've never been a huge fan of straight-up heavy/early thrash metal, so that might be part of it.

i love the new album 2008. Death Magnetic. the unforgiven 3 is good and all the nightmare is good too

Going to see them tonight actually with Machine Head and The Sword. It will be my first Metallica gig with a roof over my head and I cant ****ing wait to see The Sword.