Metallica

scottsy · 03-01-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Just the same, U2 and Metallica's cataloge is about 9 times better than most other bands.

The problem with the sell out thing is that they played metal. And like punk, its a race toward the bottom with who can do the most without appearing to distance themselves from the anti-social clown who can't wash his hair or talk to girls.

Thats who determines the "sell out" line. If you clung to metallica like a newborn suckeling from the teet because they made you feel good, and then they cut your hair and you disowned them like an Italian-american who came home preggers one day, well thats the individuals problem, and certianly not Metallica's.

Too many pussy-ass metal heads truely believe that metal is a religion, but its a security blanket from a large number of these greased up ****s to never get over their own problems, they're just going to hop on a microphone and pretend to be a dragon or some ****ed up **** because if they can't be loved they want to be feared. This is the reason for so many metal sub-genres.

Note: Metal subgenres are a classy way for metal bands to vote on who could beat up who; do you like vikings? aliens? dragons? robots?

And the sad reality is, that all of these raging vaginas and their fantasy conquerors would all be dismantled by any mildly attractive female speaking to them at a party.

If you don't like Metallica, fine. I can respect that, but they played what they wanted, and few bands today have a 5th album that sounds like the first. in fact I'd say no bands have a 5th album that sounds like the first, and all they're doing is exploring new avenues, but not ****ing metallica, they're selling out.

Why? Because their fan base back in the 80's wasn't cool enough to listen to Motley Crue, or Prince.

I read a web page once, it may still be out there, called Alternica and it was a whole big bitch fest because they cut their hair. it was some sort of turncoat move according to them but when faced with the choice of looking normal or like ****ing dio, I'm not going to have a bozo the clown weave while the crown of my head has such a reflective surface you can see your face in it.

Best Metallica rant, ever. Great post!

Roygbiv · 03-01-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I think the simple fact is that Metallica got too big before their time. With Burton's demise they lost their way and I'm sure we would have seen them exploring many musical avenues with a lot more focus. it's almost as if they tried too hard with each subsequent release. Thrash Metal is not the sort of music that should be put upon a pedestal and invite allcomers to throw stones. It's a musical niche that Metallica unfortunately seemed to step out of.

That's a fantastic way of looking at it.

Surell · 03-01-2009, 11:13 PM

I like Kill Em All a good deal.

Mojo · 03-02-2009, 06:51 AM

If an individual dislikes Metallica and can back it up with a constructive argument and/or reasons for that then I have no problem. However I cannot begin to describe how much I hate certain people who hate Metallica because of a) solely how much of a **** Lars Ulrich is, b) the whole Napster debate, c) their work after ...Justice For All or d) "selling out".

The fact that they have put out certainly underwhelming or disappointing material since AJFA doesnt change the fact they had 4 pretty solid records before that. That is of course based on the belief that you USED to like Metallica, and you USED to like their earlier material that is now for some reason completely irrelevant.

I think they get a lot more stick than they deserve too. On the other hand there are certain people out there to whom Metallica are the beginning, the middle and the end. These people will buy every piece of overpriced Metallica merchandise and ignore the existence of any other heavy metal band. These people are just as much to blame.

Robotnik · 03-02-2009, 07:19 AM

I'm pretty much indifferent to rabid Metallica haters and rabid Metallica fanboys alike. I've never been one to let other people color my opinion on a band.

I enjoy the early albums a lot. For some reason I never looked into Death Magnetic.

Molecules · 03-02-2009, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell

I like Kill Em All a good deal.

i can get behind that, for some reason the album I remember the most fondly, it's much punkier like all the early thrash albums I guess. Every note on 'Ride the Lightning' just sounds planned out because the album is so synonymous with anthemic thrash greatness. Kill em all is just a lot more raw. I don't know it's weird listening to Metallica now, it's like treading on hallowed nostalgic ground, it takes me back too much

Mojo · 03-02-2009, 07:28 AM

Kill Em All is my favourite too. Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets may be musically better albums? Depends which way you look at it. Kill Em All's dirtier, messier and the more enjoyable for me.

Molecules · 03-02-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

If an individual dislikes Metallica and can back it up with a constructive argument and/or reasons for that then I have no problem. However I cannot begin to describe how much I hate certain people who hate Metallica because of a) solely how much of a **** Lars Ulrich is, b) the whole Napster debate, c) their work after ...Justice For All or d) "selling out".

i don't get this, what did he do wrong again? I think he brings a lot of comedy value to a band who, let's face it, were always a bit juvenile whilst taking themselves too seriously

Plus the Napster debate was always ridiculous, if you're a musician with that much marketing power you are going to protect your interests, and it was all in vain anyway because the industry is dying on it's arse

Mojo · 03-02-2009, 07:35 AM

I didnt claim Lars Ulrich was a **** rather just that it is a fairly popular opinion although I must admit I do share that opinion. Theres always ego's in music but Lars' is huge and he just doesnt quite back his up I think. Its been debated on here before whether he's a bad drummer or just has an unusual technique but either way he's just a little too arrogant and ****y for my liking. On the other hand he has contributed a lot to what Metallica are and have been in the past.

I never understood the backlash to the Napster lawsuit either. I've made my opinion fairly clear on this site before when it comes to that at the expense of Adidass and what I didnt realise at the time was a 4 year old rant

. It was a fairly hotheaded response in retrospect but the footage of all of those Metallica "fans" burning albums because of it? Thats just pathetic, plus it really doesnt make any sense because in essence all they were doing were burning money from their own pocket that is now in the pockets of the band they were protesting against. They really showed them!

Molecules · 03-02-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I didnt claim Lars Ulrich was a **** rather just that it is a fairly popular opinion although I must admit I do share that opinion. Theres always ego's in music but Lars' is huge and he just doesnt quite back his up I think. Its been debated on here before whether he's a bad drummer or just has an unusual technique but either way he's just a little too arrogant and ****y for my liking. On the other hand he has contributed a lot to what Metallica are and have been in the past.

i was expressing confusion at the popular opinion you brought up rather than you personally! He is arrogant but in the context of drummers for huge heavy metal bands he is probably entitled, and especially for fledgling bands that kind of self belief can carry you further. He seemed quite reasonable in that hilarious documentary filmed around St.Anger's release (god that album sucked), I loved the bit when he sold his collection of horrible paintings on the advice of the his rock therapist.

03-02-2009, 06:51 AM	#24 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	If an individual dislikes Metallica and can back it up with a constructive argument and/or reasons for that then I have no problem. However I cannot begin to describe how much I hate certain people who hate Metallica because of a) solely how much of a **** Lars Ulrich is, b) the whole Napster debate, c) their work after ...Justice For All or d) "selling out". The fact that they have put out certainly underwhelming or disappointing material since AJFA doesnt change the fact they had 4 pretty solid records before that. That is of course based on the belief that you USED to like Metallica, and you USED to like their earlier material that is now for some reason completely irrelevant. I think they get a lot more stick than they deserve too. On the other hand there are certain people out there to whom Metallica are the beginning, the middle and the end. These people will buy every piece of overpriced Metallica merchandise and ignore the existence of any other heavy metal band. These people are just as much to blame. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-02-2009, 07:28 AM	#27 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Kill Em All is my favourite too. Ride The Lightning and Master Of Puppets may be musically better albums? Depends which way you look at it. Kill Em All's dirtier, messier and the more enjoyable for me. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-02-2009, 07:35 AM	#29 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	I didnt claim Lars Ulrich was a ** rather just that it is a fairly popular opinion although I must admit I do share that opinion. Theres always ego's in music but Lars' is huge and he just doesnt quite back his up I think. Its been debated on here before whether he's a bad drummer or just has an unusual technique but either way he's just a little too arrogant and **y for my liking. On the other hand he has contributed a lot to what Metallica are and have been in the past. I never understood the backlash to the Napster lawsuit either. I've made my opinion fairly clear on this site before when it comes to that at the expense of Adidass and what I didnt realise at the time was a 4 year old rant . It was a fairly hotheaded response in retrospect but the footage of all of those Metallica "fans" burning albums because of it? Thats just pathetic, plus it really doesnt make any sense because in essence all they were doing were burning money from their own pocket that is now in the pockets of the band they were protesting against. They really showed them! __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

03-02-2009, 07:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
Robotnik Groupie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 27	I'm pretty much indifferent to rabid Metallica haters and rabid Metallica fanboys alike. I've never been one to let other people color my opinion on a band. I enjoy the early albums a lot. For some reason I never looked into Death Magnetic.