Metallica

Unknown Soldier · 08-07-2009, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottsy

All this Metallica talk really has me wanting to listen to the early stuff right through to the Load and Reload stuff... kinda curious after all this discussion to see how all this musial progression sounds...

If you haven`t heard them in some time then its worth doing.

On another thread you were asking about Rush, did you manage to listen to anything yet?

TheBig3 · 08-07-2009, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mojopinuk

So, was your comment about AC/DC banging out the same stuff for decades a negative assesment of the band or not? I'm starting to think it wasn't but thats how I read it.

Regardless, I may have disagreed with some of the things you have said but I have rarely had an intelligent argument with people on this site who have the relatively low post count that you do. Stick around.

I agree with this and would only say "please get an avatar."

dancooke · 08-07-2009, 08:37 AM

Metallica albums i reccomend kill em all ride the lightning master of puppets metallica black album and justice for all

scottsy · 08-08-2009, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

If you haven`t heard them in some time then its worth doing.

On another thread you were asking about Rush, did you manage to listen to anything yet?

Not as yet, but I will! Been buying and downloading so much stuff lately, its hard to keep up with just that!

captured · 09-04-2009, 11:18 PM

Favourite two Metallica Songs = Whiplash and Master Of Puppets, they really do it for me

scottsy · 09-04-2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Upgrayedd

Metallica is my absolute favorite band. I've seen them 3 times, own all their albums. The only album of theirs that I didn't like was St. Anger but I thought they made up for it with Death Magnetic. I used to be one of those people who thought it was cool to bash Load and ReLoad but they've really grown on me. They have been sounding great together lately and their live performance is still one of the best.

Thats why I want o hear Load and Reload, to see what all the noise is about being not that good... I suspect for the non hardcore Metallica fan they are quite good... and I fit into that non Metallica fan category... hahahahaha...

Seragon Ripper · 09-07-2009, 08:52 PM

I recommend the first three albums only. There were only a few good songs after those first three albums.

Garo · 09-09-2009, 10:10 AM

Orion FTW

Leper messiah as the secon one, I'd say...

Certif1ed · 09-10-2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Thash in itself is bloody basic, just play super fast, heavy and aggressively and you`ve got thrash. I still think Slayer`s Reign in Blood the best example of a pure thrash record, 29 mins of pure hell.

I think Metallica quickly evolved thrash, slowed it down and even by Ride the Lightning had incorporated melody and longer song structures. Puppets though, was just the pinnacle of all this and their masterpiece, as for where they were going to go, I suppose they were faced with two obvious options and that was to go more complex than Puppets which they tried to with Justice or just get commercialized which they did later on with the Black album.

Totally agree with you about the evolution of a band and once you`ve achieved the pinnacle of your sound its time to move on. I think the yardstick of any band out there, should be the Beatles because their evolution from the poppy "Love me do" to the albums of Sgt Pepper and then onto Abbey Road are quite simply amazing and all this in just 7 years!!! Whereas say AC/DC, have been banging out the same sound for like over 30 years with little change!!!

Also as far as thrash goes, I was never actually a fan of James Hetfield`s style of singing and far preferred that of either Dave Mustaine or Tom Araya but I admit his dominant, loud voice was most suited to Metallica`s sound, I think though, that on Load his voice had also evolved along with the groups change in musical direction and think is vocal display on that album to be very good.

All in all I think Puppets is their best album but Load suprised me, that they could do a hard blues rock sound as well as they did.

So much stuff here - pity I'm leaping in late, but there are a few things I really wanted to respond to;

1. Agree that Reign In Blood is THE definitive benchmark for a thrash metal album, and yet probably the finest example of that genre, particularly in the drumming and originality stakes - no-one sounds like Slayer except Slayer from the get-go, yet RIB is the ultimate consumation of their sound and style married with perfect production.

2. Metallica evolved thrash from pretty much the minute they started playing it - they were never a pure thrash band, even on KEA. There's potentially a huge amount to discuss here - but I'll nutshellise it by saying that Metallica not only evolved longer song formats but had this unique way (thanks to Burton's supreme improv skills) of evolving riffs as pieces progressed in a manner similar to Classic Prog rock. The number of pieces this happens in is mind-boggling (but entirely in their first 4 albums - the best, IMHO). Listen carefully to Fight Fire With Fire, which is a great example. Each riff is a mutation or bastardization of earlier riffs - there's nothing wasted, everything is recycled and fitted into a uniquely evolving riff strategy. As far as I can tell, this strategy and compositional method was unique to Metallica, and pretty much demanded longer song structures in order to make it work.

3. Neither AC/DC nor Motorhead had a single sound that they simply stuck to for decades, even though it might seem like it!

AC/DC's early hard blues sound evolved fairly slowly over the first 4 years from the almost Glam Rock sound of "Jailbait" to the much harder sound on "Powerage" - but "Highway To Hell" is a completely different animal. AC/DC became brutal for 3 albums, and "Back In Black" is the pinnacle of that brutality - not in the sense of death metal, but in it's own right. "For Those About To Rock" is the beginning of them settling into a groove, more or less - but Angus never sat still - the evolution is surprisingly subtle, given AC/DC's musical style, but little things like the intro to "Thunderstruck" show that the band were not prepared to simply churn out 3-bar standards as Status Quo did.

Motorhead changed many times in their early years too; On Parole might have deadened the impact of Punk Rock, had UA had the guts to sell it when Motorhead made it in 1975. It's a brute of an album that kicks your ass from the seat of a Triumph. The follow-up, their self-titled album eventually released on Chiswick (or was it Stiff???) is lame in comparison, even though it's mainly the same songs. "Overkill" is a quantuum leap - this is a new Motorhead with a wide arsenal of musical styles. "Bomber" is a continuation of the "Overkill" path, but "Ace of Spades" is entirely new - an even more brutal yet slicker beast. "Iron Fist" continued the AoS style, but with added speed, then a complete overhaul for "Another Perfect Day" - the replacement of Fast Eddie Clarke by Brian Robson highlights the bands melodic side. IRC, "Orgasmatron" was next, a darker, more doomy Motorhead, as they suddenly realised that they weren't the fastest band in the world any more.

There seems to be a common pattern here - a bands first 5-10 years seem to be the most creative, then they slip into a style like a comfy pair of jeans and just churn out the product and watch the cash come in. Or am I getting cynical?

Just my $0.02...

Unknown Soldier · 09-10-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certif1ed

So much stuff here - pity I'm leaping in late, but there are a few things I really wanted to respond to;

1. Agree that Reign In Blood is THE definitive benchmark for a thrash metal album, and yet probably the finest example of that genre, particularly in the drumming and originality stakes - no-one sounds like Slayer except Slayer from the get-go, yet RIB is the ultimate consumation of their sound and style married with perfect production.

2. Metallica evolved thrash from pretty much the minute they started playing it - they were never a pure thrash band, even on KEA. There's potentially a huge amount to discuss here - but I'll nutshellise it by saying that Metallica not only evolved longer song formats but had this unique way (thanks to Burton's supreme improv skills) of evolving riffs as pieces progressed in a manner similar to Classic Prog rock. The number of pieces this happens in is mind-boggling (but entirely in their first 4 albums - the best, IMHO). Listen carefully to Fight Fire With Fire, which is a great example. Each riff is a mutation or bastardization of earlier riffs - there's nothing wasted, everything is recycled and fitted into a uniquely evolving riff strategy. As far as I can tell, this strategy and compositional method was unique to Metallica, and pretty much demanded longer song structures in order to make it work.

3. Neither AC/DC nor Motorhead had a single sound that they simply stuck to for decades, even though it might seem like it!

AC/DC's early hard blues sound evolved fairly slowly over the first 4 years from the almost Glam Rock sound of "Jailbait" to the much harder sound on "Powerage" - but "Highway To Hell" is a completely different animal. AC/DC became brutal for 3 albums, and "Back In Black" is the pinnacle of that brutality - not in the sense of death metal, but in it's own right. "For Those About To Rock" is the beginning of them settling into a groove, more or less - but Angus never sat still - the evolution is surprisingly subtle, given AC/DC's musical style, but little things like the intro to "Thunderstruck" show that the band were not prepared to simply churn out 3-bar standards as Status Quo did.

Motorhead changed many times in their early years too; On Parole might have deadened the impact of Punk Rock, had UA had the guts to sell it when Motorhead made it in 1975. It's a brute of an album that kicks your ass from the seat of a Triumph. The follow-up, their self-titled album eventually released on Chiswick (or was it Stiff???) is lame in comparison, even though it's mainly the same songs. "Overkill" is a quantuum leap - this is a new Motorhead with a wide arsenal of musical styles. "Bomber" is a continuation of the "Overkill" path, but "Ace of Spades" is entirely new - an even more brutal yet slicker beast. "Iron Fist" continued the AoS style, but with added speed, then a complete overhaul for "Another Perfect Day" - the replacement of Fast Eddie Clarke by Brian Robson highlights the bands melodic side. IRC, "Orgasmatron" was next, a darker, more doomy Motorhead, as they suddenly realised that they weren't the fastest band in the world any more.

There seems to be a common pattern here - a bands first 5-10 years seem to be the most creative, then they slip into a style like a comfy pair of jeans and just churn out the product and watch the cash come in. Or am I getting cynical?

Just my $0.02...

1. Well for me Reign in Blood is the king of early thrash albums with Exodus`s Bonded by Blood a close second and early Metallica and Megadeth as well. When it comes to thrash and groove metal Slayer, Sepultura and Pantera are really it for me, even though I do have a very soft spot for Megadeth.

2. Without doubt Cliff Burton was one of the best bass players of his generation and I don`t think that Metallica ever replaced him, I was never a fan really of John Newstead.

3. Well you know far more about both ACDC and Motorhead than I do, so I`ll bow to your better judgement there, as my knowledge is based on just several albums between them. As for Orgasmatron, well I love Sepultura`s version of the song.

09-04-2009, 11:18 PM	#255 (permalink)
captured Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia. Posts: 125	Favourite two Metallica Songs = Whiplash and Master Of Puppets, they really do it for me __________________

09-07-2009, 08:52 PM	#257 (permalink)
Seragon Ripper Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 66	I recommend the first three albums only. There were only a few good songs after those first three albums. __________________ All Hail Shagrath

08-07-2009, 08:37 AM	#253 (permalink)
dancooke Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: high wycombe Posts: 25	Metallica albums i reccomend kill em all ride the lightning master of puppets metallica black album and justice for all

09-09-2009, 10:10 AM	#258 (permalink)
Garo Groupie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 19	Orion FTW Leper messiah as the secon one, I'd say...