The Official Metallica Thread

The Batlord · 07-06-2021, 11:45 AM

*looks at screen name*

The Batlord · 07-06-2021, 04:07 PM

I remember it being fine but having no need to ever listen to it again. It's probably the best album they had left in them so they should retire with at least a little bit of dignity.

BloodFoxTK · 07-06-2021, 04:27 PM

with one of the big four (Slayer) already gone, maybe it's time Metallica retired too.

i've heard rumours that Dave Mustaine is considering retirement, but i can't find anything to back that up.

Maajo · 07-12-2021, 07:38 AM

****, St. Anger is better than Hardwired or Death Magnetic. Those two pieces of crap just bore me to tears with how unoriginal and generic they sound, whereas St. Anger tries at least to bring the band into a new direction. I would never compare St. Anger even to The Black Album, it's not great, but I like half of the songs on it at least. I think it's overhated, I even used to hate it but now when I listen to it it just sounds like they're trying to do their own take on some System of a Down style nu metal.

The Batlord · 07-12-2021, 08:13 AM

Absolutely agreed basically 100% and I'd take it over their last two and Black Album as well. I'm still not a fan but if they cut every song by like a third or a half it would be a solid 8/10 alt metal album. Also if they wanted a lofi garage production they should have done that rather than overproducing the **** out of it.

TheBig3 · 07-12-2021, 12:08 PM

Agree to disagree. I loved the last two. Tracks like Atlas Rise, Moth to Flame, and Spit out the Bone were exactly what I wanted.

Also, it's a little bit of a reach to say "at least they tried something new" on St. Anger when it was a bad imitation of SoaD. Load through St. Anger was the band doing other people's styles. At least Hardwired was them doing their own sound. Yes, not in the Top 3 albums they have but they're 38 years in.

I'll never understand why they want bands to retire. Making new music doesn't kill the old music. You still have that. Why the freak out?

Maajo · 07-12-2021, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Agree to disagree. I loved the last two. Tracks like Atlas Rise, Moth to Flame, and Spit out the Bone were exactly what I wanted.

Also, it's a little bit of a reach to say "at least they tried something new" on St. Anger when it was a bad imitation of SoaD. Load through St. Anger was the band doing other people's styles. At least Hardwired was them doing their own sound. Yes, not in the Top 3 albums they have but they're 38 years in.

I'll never understand why they want bands to retire. Making new music doesn't kill the old music. You still have that. Why the freak out?

Those were awesome tracks, but you picked the three best tracks from the last two albums right there to be honest. I get that it's the band going back to their thrash roots, but that's not really what I want to see necessarily. If anything you're reaching to say that they weren't attempting to do something new when they did St. Anger, I think you're confusing originality with the band going in a different direction, they're entirely different concepts.

I would rank the last two as their two worst albums. I still got some enjoyment out of them but overall they had the most tracks that bored me. I'm not really ripping the band and trying to say that they should be done, I just think their output has been overly safe which I guess is the path that most bands take later in their career when they're not as hungry, not as bold. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I'm not required to think that their output is good or anything like that.

The Batlord · 07-12-2021, 02:56 PM

I don't care but just for their own dignity they should quit sooner rather than later.

TheBig3 · 07-12-2021, 04:46 PM

Agree to disagree.

BloodFoxTK · 08-01-2021, 06:42 AM

i suspect St. Anger turned out the way it did due to the fact that James and Lars fought almost constantly during the early days of its creation.

that on top of James entering rehab for alcohol issues.

also, James and Lars' decision to completely exclude guitar solos entirely (for some utterly bizarre reason), upsetting Kirk (who had tried to be the voice of reason up to this point) in the process.

the documentary Some Kind of Monster shows just what a mess St. Anger's production was.

someone earlier mentioned they felt it very much appeared to be a knock-off-attempt at copying System of a Down...........and i'm somewhat inclined to agree.

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BloodFoxTK the only fox you need! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: South Island, Mobius Posts: 250	with one of the big four (Slayer) already gone, maybe it's time Metallica retired too. i've heard rumours that Dave Mustaine is considering retirement, but i can't find anything to back that up. __________________ https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/BloodFoxTK.png

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	Agree to disagree. I loved the last two. Tracks like Atlas Rise, Moth to Flame, and Spit out the Bone were exactly what I wanted. Also, it's a little bit of a reach to say "at least they tried something new" on St. Anger when it was a bad imitation of SoaD. Load through St. Anger was the band doing other people's styles. At least Hardwired was them doing their own sound. Yes, not in the Top 3 albums they have but they're 38 years in. I'll never understand why they want bands to retire. Making new music doesn't kill the old music. You still have that. Why the freak out? __________________ I've moved to a new address

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	Agree to disagree. __________________ I've moved to a new address

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BloodFoxTK the only fox you need! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: South Island, Mobius Posts: 250	i suspect St. Anger turned out the way it did due to the fact that James and Lars fought almost constantly during the early days of its creation. that on top of James entering rehab for alcohol issues. also, James and Lars' decision to completely exclude guitar solos entirely (for some utterly bizarre reason), upsetting Kirk (who had tried to be the voice of reason up to this point) in the process. the documentary Some Kind of Monster shows just what a mess St. Anger's production was. someone earlier mentioned they felt it very much appeared to be a knock-off-attempt at copying System of a Down...........and i'm somewhat inclined to agree. __________________ https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/BloodFoxTK.png

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07-12-2021, 07:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Maajo Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 513	****, St. Anger is better than Hardwired or Death Magnetic. Those two pieces of crap just bore me to tears with how unoriginal and generic they sound, whereas St. Anger tries at least to bring the band into a new direction. I would never compare St. Anger even to The Black Album, it's not great, but I like half of the songs on it at least. I think it's overhated, I even used to hate it but now when I listen to it it just sounds like they're trying to do their own take on some System of a Down style nu metal.