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Old 05-26-2007, 07:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you honestly think all 4000 of those people were metallica fanboys who'd never heard another guitar player? Because thats pretty goddamn ignorant.
I never said all of them were. But can you please read this and actually think about it.

If you took 2 identical guitarists, identical in every way, except that one was in an underground band and practically unheard of, and the other was in the biggest metal band in the world, who would get more votes in a guitarist poll. BTW, they have different names.

Logic tells you that due to popularity, the more popular one would get more votes. Likewise, if Kirk Hammett wasn't in the biggest metal band ever, he wouldn't have got as many votes as he did.

Now a numerical explanation. 10% of people who have heard Hammett vote for him - 10,000 people have heard him - therefore 1000 votes. 50% of people who have heard Joe Satriani and Kirk Hammett vote for Joe Satriani - 1500 people have heard him - therefore 750 votes. Hammett wins due to popularity.

See what I mean? You have to bear in mind that this is a POPULARITY poll, and will be influenced by how many people have heard each guitarist. I'm not saying everyone who voted has only heard Kirk Hammett and no other guitarist... so don't try to twist my words like that. I'm saying Hammett = in popular band, so Hammett gets more votes than he otherwise would.


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What is your problem? Unless you can show me where I've said Metallica sucks, then shut up. Stop wasting my time.

I like Metallica, stop trying to pull the 'metalhead criticism' card on me.

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Which makes him a terrible guitarist m i rite!
Nope, not at all.

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Didn't you just say the reason he beat petrucci and malmsteen was songwriting? and then you say the people voting didn't emphasize it enough...what?
Nope, you said that people are going to focus on guitar playing rather than technique if it's a guitar poll.

And I pointed out that if that was the case, Petrucci and Malmsteen would factually be superior in that respect to Hammett. Then I said it's sad that some people would have voted with that mentality.


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I'd like to see some facts to back up guitarist don't listen to a lot of music, I mean if someone didn't like music I don't see why they'd start playing guitar.

Can you show these statistics?
Well, how am I meant to back that up? It's just what is obvious from living on Earth and talking to human beings. Most people tend to listen to their favourite bands a lot rather than exploring a lot of bands they haven't heard. Part of this is due to some people insisting on buying albums instead of downloading - obviously they can't check out as much new music as someone who downloads. Since musical taste isn't something that can be easily quantified, there probably aren't statistics.

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Did you ever consider they're trying to appeal to more then just their readers? Most metallica fans aren't running around listening to simple plan.
Yes I did. If their readers at the time of the ad didn't agree with it, that advert will attract new readers who agree with it - hence some readers agree with it - thus their voting population is tainted.
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I liked the old metallica...
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Old 08-20-2007, 07:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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popularity does have a minor like with greatness. I don't think people ignore satriani because they can't hear him. In fact, the more he stays in the shadows the more votes he gets from Hamment/Metallica haters. Can you imagine how many votes he'd get if people actually heard Joe Satriani?
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Old 08-20-2007, 07:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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popularity does have a minor like with greatness. I don't think people ignore satriani because they can't hear him. In fact, the more he stays in the shadows the more votes he gets from Hamment/Metallica haters. Can you imagine how many votes he'd get if people actually heard Joe Satriani?
I don't really understand your post.

Are you saying people vote for Satriani because he's not popular (even if they haven't heard him)? Because that's not true - that's elitism and doesn't happen a lot in this situation. I imagine he would get many more votes if many people heard him. You can't vote for that which you haven't heard.

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Old 07-03-2008, 11:34 AM   #5 (permalink)
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popularity does have a minor like with greatness. I don't think people ignore satriani because they can't hear him. In fact, the more he stays in the shadows the more votes he gets from Hamment/Metallica haters. Can you imagine how many votes he'd get if people actually heard Joe Satriani?
A hell of a lot more, that's for sure.
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Metallica is and will always remain a legend. You can either love em or hate em. Its all you.



Is you like them, isn;t that all that matters?







No matter what you like there will always be someone who doesn't.

Why argue with them?
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Metallica is and will always remain a legend. You can either love em or hate em. Its all you.



Is you like them, isn;t that all that matters?


No matter what you like there will always be someone who doesn't.

Why argue with them?
I do like them. I just think that Hammett isn't that great and that Hetfield ****s over him.

It matters to me because I love music and I love discussing it.
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I do like them. I just think that Hammett isn't that great and that Hetfield ****s over him.
This is very true. Try playing Battery while singing. Its agonising.
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Old 09-02-2007, 01:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Metallica's music has no presence in today's music world. 1980s Metallica stood for something... now its just noise.

When Jason left the band that pretty much killed it for me.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah, I understand you liking to talk about it. I do too. But it seems like every time I do, I always get shut down by poeple. And I totally agree with Brock. When Jason left Metallica...That hurt them. But we'll see how Rob does with their upcoming album due out this coming year. And yeah, maybe MEtallica doesn't really have a presence in todays "rock" scene. They weren't meant to. They are an 80's metal band...They have an 80's sound. Well with the exception of St. Anger, which I was not impressed with. But hey, ya gotta stay loyal to your band!!
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