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Dotoar 01-02-2011 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 978311)
Perhaps I was reaching but I only reached to get across a point I was trying to make.

And I never said he was a great soloist[...]
Which essentially was my only point.

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 978311)
The thing is Sabbath's sound is based of very primal basic sounds. Iommi for instance was one of the few guitarists that never played anything shred style like most people in that time were starting to do. I feel like such a proficient technically gifted drummer would have offset that band and not fit in.
I agree. Their strength didn't lie in virtuosic playing (even if I'd say that Iommi sure could pick up steam every now and then), but rather in proving that you can be inventive without technical proficiency.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 01-02-2011 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 978293)
I wasnt aware it takes tons of technical talent to be able to have a drum solo. Coming from a drumming background what he does on that track is hardly beginner stuff... Sure its not backing a jazz standard in 69/435 time but its pretty solid sounding and beyond a lot of rock drummers grasps. Keith Moon/Bohnum was hardly a very technically skilled drummer and he is certainly worthy of a solo.

To bring in jazz drumming as a comparison is rubbish. Whens the last time someone compared Hendrix to a jazz guitarist? Because that jazz musician knows how to play a Aminorflat5 in 10 spots instead of maybe 1 or 2 he is better?
Think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I was actually kind of making the point that the song was attempting to be slightly jazzy, and also basically said the same thing that you are saying here.

rammetal7 01-02-2011 08:25 PM
I have recently read a book entitled "The Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal", in that that book there is a list of essential metal albums and in first place is the Black Sabbath album "Heaven and Hell", now I do agree that "Heaven And Hell" is an essential metal album but I do not think it should be in first place on this list, anyone else agree or disagree with me.

SGR 05-25-2011 02:53 PM
I think that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is bloody brilliant!

Every one of their albums is great, at least w/ Ozzy. I never got any of the Dio/Martin stuff, is it any good?

Unknown Soldier 05-25-2011 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rammetal7 (Post 978352)
I have recently read a book entitled "The Encyclopedia of Heavy Metal", in that that book there is a list of essential metal albums and in first place is the Black Sabbath album "Heaven and Hell", now I do agree that "Heaven And Hell" is an essential metal album but I do not think it should be in first place on this list, anyone else agree or disagree with me.
According to so called metal experts in books etc its about as essential as "Balls to the Wall" by Accept. Personally I find Dio quite boring to listen to and find that whole sound very dated.

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I think that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is bloody brilliant!

Every one of their albums is great, at least w/ Ozzy. I never got any of the Dio/Martin stuff, is it any good?
You actually think "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die" to be good albums?

BastardofYoung 05-25-2011 05:52 PM
^those two albums were nothing special, first 6 are the best.

But "Heaven and Hell" and "Mob Rules" are both excellent albums. Should be listened to.

Insane Guest 05-25-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1059840)
I think that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is bloody brilliant!

Every one of their albums is great, at least w/ Ozzy. I never got any of the Dio/Martin stuff, is it any good?
You've never heard Heaven and Hell? Really worth a listen.

As for the Tony Martin stuff, never really got into it.

SGR 05-30-2011 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 978313)
I don't know why Rat Salad is getting so much hate.

Especially as that album has one of the most boring 'classics' they ever recorded in War Pigs.
I honestly think Iron Man is the more boring "classic." Give me nearly any song on Sabotage over that one.

That's another thing.

WHY IS SABOTAGE SO UNDERRATED!? IT'S CRIMINAL I TELL YOU!

That album was the heaviest thing I've ever heard out of that timeframe. I mean come on, 1975 and Sabbath come out with practically a thrash metal album. Ozzy just gives it everything he's got on it too. Megalomania is one of the greatest Sabbath songs ever recorded.

Unknown Soldier 05-30-2011 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1061844)
I honestly think Iron Man is the more boring "classic." Give me nearly any song on Sabotage over that one.

That's another thing.

WHY IS SABOTAGE SO UNDERRATED!? IT'S CRIMINAL I TELL YOU!

That album was the heaviest thing I've ever heard out of that timeframe. I mean come on, 1975 and Sabbath come out with practically a thrash metal album. Ozzy just gives it everything he's got on it too. Megalomania is one of the greatest Sabbath songs ever recorded.
Sabotage came out after the group had put out five classic albums, its a good album but does have some holes in it. I don`t know if I would call it thrash in any way, but "Symptom of the Universe" is certainly a big influence on thrash.

If you want heavy in that timeframe, try checking out Deep Purple "In Rock" that was 1970 and it was fast and heavy!!!

SGR 05-30-2011 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1061895)
Sabotage came out after the group had put out five classic albums, its a good album but does have some holes in it. I don`t know if I would call it thrash in any way, but "Symptom of the Universe" is certainly a big influence on thrash.

If you want heavy in that timeframe, try checking out Deep Purple "In Rock" that was 1970 and it was fast and heavy!!!
But then again, there are some who don't even consider Sabbath Bloody Sabbath to be a classic.

I honestly don't own any Deep Purple. I've heard the Machine Head is essential. Is In Rock essential as well?


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