boo boo

Speaking of art rock, there really wasn't much distinguishing the two terms back in the 70s. It was used to describe Genesis just as often as it was used to describe Roxy Music.

If OK Computer and Kid A were released in the 70s they would undeniably be considered prog albums.

But now of course prog is a term used to describe bands that take obvious influence from other prog bands. So it's very common to see a bunch of tards saying "Radiohead are not prog, I can't hear any Yes or Genesis influences at all".

That's a pretty good description, though I love Rush, they're an obvious inlfluence on Dream Theater. But overall DT do remind me more of Kansas and Toto with a metal twist.

I don't consider Toto to be much of a prog band actually. In the late 70s you had arena rock bands like Journey and Toto embracing some prog influences but when these bands get lumped into the same category it's quite embarassing.

I think of bands like Kansas and Styx as being lite prog or commercial prog, a combination of prog and arena rock. And yes, DT reminds me a lot more of Kansas and Styx than they do King Crimson and Yes. And the saddest part is...

Kansas and Styx are still way better.

Heh if anything progressive metal is more metal than it is prog. At least in my opinion.

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Agreed, I can remember back in the early 80`s when prog was supposedly dead but Marillion were a huge band in the UK and were labelled neo prog rock and had hordes of adoring fans. In reality, listening to Marillion was just like listening to Peter Gabriel era Genesis and there was absolutely nothing original or new about them, but the fact that they sounded like Genesis deemed them the new prog rock masters label of the 80's. In fact the most progressive artist at that time in the UK was certainly Kate Bush but she was labelled "Art Rock".

It now becomes clear, how a band like Radiohead have achieved the "Art Rock" label and not prog............Quite simply they don`t sound like anybody before them.

storymilo

Here's my top ten

10. Bo Diddley
9. Brian May
8. Chuck Berry
7. Frank Zappa
6. David Gilmour
5. Carlos Santana
4. Jerry Garcia
3. Jimmy Page
2. Stevie Ray Vaughan
1. Jimi Hendrix

Unknown Soldier

Tuneman,

I`m sure this has been mentioned on this thread before but short of shifting through a lot of threads here, tell me your opinion on the folllowing guitarists and how you think they compare to Petrucci?

Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page and Ritchie Blackmore for me probably the three greatest in ability, showmanship and influence? When I talk about ability I`m not talking about technical ability but more about their ability to make me froth at the mouth.

Tuneman1

By that definition, after I really learned the guitar, and listened to a lot of different types of music, I realized that Hendrix and Jimmy were very limited in that definition of ability. Both are kinda sloppy players live, and Page rarely wanders out of the minor pentatonic scale for his solos.

Watch these and tell me how this man has no soul, emotion or whatever the hell you nitwits want to call it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H78F7M-LATw
YouTube - Octavarium - solo end

Unknown Soldier

As a non-guitar player or indeed a non-musician in any way shape or form "Minor Pentatonic Scale" means jack **** to me.

The link that you have provided with the wobbly camera is not the way to impress someone.

I like John Petrucci as a guitarist but to say that both Hendrix and Page are of limited ability and sloppy players live, infers that you see them as inferior guitar players.

Watching either Hendrix, Page or Blackmore etc play the guitar, is I imagine for most people, the reason why they want to learn the instrument in the first place and form a band, along with a huge desire to listen to their music as often as possible.

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boo boo

So what? There's nothing seriously limited about the pentatonic scale, it's the most commonly used scale in music from all around the world. It's the foundation of blues and rock music, and a lot of folk music, and since that's what Page's music is derived from, rather than being derived from neo classical music like Petrucci is, of course he prefers the pentatonic scale.

Saying a guitarist is better based on what kind of scales he uses is just ridiculous. It's all about how you play, not what you play.

I'm no muso, but I don't think I have to be to know that you don't know as much about music theory as you want us to believe.

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Im no theory buff, but I know enough that you can only do so much with the same 5 notes. Being able to play in different scales means that you have the ABILITY to invoke more expressions with your music.

I want you to tell me that after you see these vids, if you still think he is a robot.

boo boo

I confess, that last one is actually really damn good, if Petrucci did more of that, I would like him a lot more, rest assured.

Look, I'm not one of these people ranting about how he likes emotion, I don't even like that term, "emotion", it's a very subjective term. I mean what counts as emotional guitar playing? Just playing the guitar slow and tastefull? You don't have to be "emotional" to do that.

I'm not accusing Petrucci of lacking emotion, I accuse him of lacking taste, restraint and creativity.

And because of that his music doesn't have the kinda emotional impact on me that other guitarists have, he lacks the taste of guys like Gilmour, Santana and Harrison, and the energy of guys like Hendrix, Page and Townsend.

Even when Petrucci takes it slow, it's not anything Steve Hackett, Jan Akkerman or Andy Latimer couldn't do better, they're just as skilled as Petrucci if not more, but a lot more creative, original and tasteful at the same time.

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