holynapkin

I guess all I can do is disagree?

crash_override

Really? Have you been to a guitar center? Go there and I bet you will see several kids in black label t-shirts shopping for les pauls.

dac

I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself from earlier in this thread:

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Alright, I was being a bit harsh when I said I didn't think he deserved a spot but I think he gets too much credit. Bands like Screaming Trees and Mudhoney, who influenced Nirvana a great deal, don't really get any credit and yet both came before Nirvana did. Had there been no Mudhoney, I doubt Nirvana would have sounded like they did. Don't get me wrong, I own every Nirvana CD, but I really only find myself listening to four or five of their songs whereas I can listen to all of Mudhoney, half of Screaming Trees, and all of other bands like Soundgarden. I believe that Kurt's such vast influence was merely chance. For whatever reason, which I still do not understand, they were the ones who got the majority of the grunge credit so to speak. You can talk about raw emotion, but I'd argue that both Eddie Vedder, while I can't stand him as a person, and Layne Staley both put out a lot more emotion than he does.

Indeed, Kurt did show the world that you can make beautiful music out of simplicity, I believe that his influence, while it is vast indeed, was all sheer chance. Had, say, Screaming Trees broken out as the grunge front men, I'd be arguing the this the complete opposite way.

mr dave

this is like the 3rd of your posts i quote tonight, i'm starting to wonder if you're trolling or just really need a clue.

regardless of his influence over a generation cobain was acutally pretty freaking talented. he wasn't a virtuoso but what he lacked in technical chops he made up for in raw emotion. that's what made him stand out so much, his sound was raw and real. and like khfreek said, his lead style was unique, unlike the multitude of wankers that pick up their guitars with the intent of playing guitar instead of music.

considering the man single handedly influenced a generation of kids to pick up an instrument and play music AND wrote great songs they could all start off with. he most definitely IS one of the top 200 guitarists in rock.

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boo boo

Everyone has influences, that's no reason to discredit anybody, thing is, Cobain has influenced more people than anyone that's influenced him (save Pixies), especially as a guitar player.

And no saying "everyone he influences sucks" is not a counter argument, he made a big impact and influence is influence no matter who it is.

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holynapkin

That really wouldn't have been a good counter-argument because that's a subjective matter anyway.

lucifer_sam

i just realized you have J. Mascis at #103. seems a little strange to be below D. Boon, wouldn't you say?

and i thought you liked him.

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boo boo

I think Boon deserves to be higher, Boon was by far one of the more gifted punk guitarists and he was a big influence on everything from RHCP to Fugazi, but yeah I like Mascis, I could see him going higher maybe.

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Yumdubaby

in my opinion Hendrix, Page, and everyone else that you guys were arguing about for "originality, influence, and talent" were good for their time but the new generation of guitarists like Nils Norberg, Per Nilsson, and kiko loureiro are just superior in every way.

i dont mean any disrespect to the old school "influencial" guys but its proven that musicians get better and better with every generation that passes