So just what IS "ROCK" in the main forum sense these days?!
 

The ingenious rock'n'roll of the Big Audio Dynamite gets moved to pop, courtesy of me buddeh Jack(hammer).

Coldplay gets moved to indie/alternative(to what??)

Now we have a subforum for Classic Rock, Prog, and Psych.

Just what IS the world coming to?! So here I am, sitting in me kitchen eating a slice of burnt toast and drinking a cup of earl grey, and I'm trying to figure just what the "ROCK" part of "Rock & Metal" now means.

So, let's discuss! What IS plain "rock", these days?

The Classic Rock, Prog and Psych section you can blame on me, I noticed that this forum was much more geared to modern rock music, prog related threads always tank and classic rock threads always end in disaster. So I asked the mods for a sub forum so such threads could have more space without competing with threads like "Do you like Blink 182?" that always get more posts.

I was also hoping that by making that section it would attract only fans of that kinda music, and we wouldn't have to worry about Zep and Floyd related threads being spammed into oblivion.

The "Rock" in Rock & Metal now should be interpreted as modern mainstream rock. Primarly hard rock. Stuff like Nirvana and what not.

It's all booboo's fault!

Why is boo boo's username funky? He hasn't become an admin or something?http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/scared.gif

He is a forum moderator for the prog section, as it was his idea to have the forum and he has been a long standing member. He can move and delete threads in this forum only but he doesn't have a ban hammer

I didn't know we had that...yay for boobs.http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...lpower/yay.gif

Rock should cover all aspects of the genre. Even crappy bands. Crap rock, in a sad way, is a genre of its own.

Thank you Bb. These are the most entertaining sub genres of music.

Obviously, only in my opinion that is. :banghead:

There is a prog sections?

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cool!
I never noticed that before.

I'd consider plain rock to be stuff like The Wallflowers, though people would argue and say "no, it's folk rock" or no "it's pop rock". I say it's pure rock.

For me, rock is a very broad term. It encompasses punk, pop, and indie. I'm not really sure why we have separate forums for punk, pop, and indie. I would just all list them as subforums of rock. This is just my opinion. I really don't think there is such a thing as just plain rock, there is always a style to describe the different types of rock.

Yeah I've always wanted to discuss Rihanna in a rock forum.

What are you getting at? Rihanna is r&b.

Not really, R&B is just a specific style that no one does anymore, Urban Pop more accurately describes stuff like Rihanna, Mary J. Blige etc.

Urban is a style of r&b. But you are right, Rihanna and Mary J. Blige are urban artists.

Change my post to say Britney Spears or Ashlee Simpson, it doesn't change the fact they're not rock. I'm digressing. Point is pop isn't a sub-genre of rock. Indie isn't either.

Actually, Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson are rock artists. Rihanna is r&b. Neither of them are pop, either. Ashlee Simpson is teen pop and pop/rock while Britney Spears is dance-pop, teen pop, and pop/rock. The kind of pop I'm talking about when I say pop is artists like The Association, Burt Bacharach, The Beach Boys, The Beatles, and The Box Tops. That is pop. Indie is far too narrow to be it's own genre. And indie artists end up being rock artists anyways.

How are they rock? Also since when is teen pop a genre? And if it is how isn't it essentially pop? You seem pretty anal.

Indie is just a shortened version of independent. There's nothing rock about that whatsoever because there's no set sound to being independent.

Dance music is a style of rock music, the kind that Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson make. Teen pop isn't a genre, it's a style of rock music. I figured the name teen pop would be pretty self-explanatory, but I guess not. Teen pop, is dance-pop, pop, and urban that is geared toward teens and often performed by teens as well. Pop is more broad, music based on memorable melodies, repeated sections, and tight, concise structures. About the indie comment, take a peak at our "Indie & Alternative Forum" and tell me how many of those bands are independent, unsigned acts. Not very many, if any, of them. The term indie is rarely every associated with independent anymore. It has come to accept a sound of it's own.

Wow you're way out of my league. Sorry for questioning you, I'm going to go listen to some middle aged balding females with mustaches pop now. Peace out.

Why are you so defensive? Have you read the name of this site yet? Were not supposed to get along, that's what makes it fun. :crazy: By the way, I added a response to your indie comment, if you still care.

I can't tell if he's just has a really sarcastic sense of humor, or is way too defensive. Called me an ******* for criticizing his choice of dream guitarists.

Lmao. Let's hope it's the former, although sarcasm is pretty hard to convey over the internet I have to admit. He'll learn the ropes of these forums soon enough. :p:

That does make you an ******* though. It would be best if we all agreed.

Although i guess that makes me an ******* for disagreeing with you.

If you're being humorous I can't tell, sorry. But yah, in the words of Ian Bavitz: Or maybe you're just an *******; and maybe I'm just an *******.

Haha i was trying to be.

Did not work to well though i guess. :(

Nah, I lol'ed I just couldn't tell if you were serious.

I mentioned that once (the case of punk, specifically). But then, if you want to start doing that, you could take it even further and have hiphop as a form of rock. Nah, I think using rock too generally is very risky. Best way is to leave VERY conventionalized genres as they are and with their own label, in spite of the point that they were borne out of rock music.

Hip hops roots are in jazz and soul, most importantly Gil Scott-Heron. It's not a form of rock at all and wasn't born out of it either. I wish people would stop thinking rock is THE genre.

I'd be against this simply because if everything was lumped into one forum then most threads would be pushed back to the 2nd page in no time at all, its better to have sub-forums.

That was not my point. My point was, if somebody wishes to give too broad a definition to rock, one could (if they really tried) even identify influences for hip hop music in the rock movement. Which of course would be a ridiculous step.

That was my point.

Except the fact that punk's point was to take rock back to original conventions. Rap does not have that strong of a connection to rock. Plus, rap is far more diverse than punk in the amount of music released.

I agree, so have sub-forums for all the styles I listed under the forum of rock. This makes the most sense.

Yeah but then you've got all the post-punk and new wave....

That still doesn't warrant a whole genre. It's too similar sounding to rock and there isn't enough styles born out of punk.

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Get ready boys and girls...for another 50 page genre argument.




On a side note, i do agree with the sub forum upto an extent.
Rock & metal are just too broad imo.
But then, i don't agree with the rest just termed as 'rock'.
Metal can have its own section as well, and maybe keep the rest as...modern rock?(IDK, too many sub genres here as well)

They are all rock that I listed though. Metal is most definitely a form of rock, and anyone who can't hear that is deaf. Modern rock isn't very descripitive. There are many different styles of rock that could be modern rock these days.

We're not talking about genres were talking about forums on a message board. Do you really want about 50 different 'rock' forums?

Well, anything is fine with me actually.

I wouldn't be bothered much if there is a sub forum or two at the most.

How about a post punk sub forum, i mean i don't think Joy Division should be in the Punk forum. So Post-Punk sub forum would be cool for bands like the Fall, Gang of Four, Public Image Ltd..........ect.

I know what you mean but it could end up with the forum being clogged up with far too many sub forums. The whole purpose of the Prog sub forum was to differentiate between a genre that next to Electronic is the most expansive and filled with many sub genres. Whilst the Electronic forum doesnt need a sub forum due to the lack of posts, the Metal forum does need a sub forum. There is a huge difference between artists like Neil young and Agalloch for example.

The rock forum is usually the most used next to General, so adding a sub forum is welcome in my eyes.