Am I Really The Only One? (alternative, metal, punk, rock)

Loser · 06-04-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mjnichols

that line i stole staight from a metallica documentary.

Whih one?

SubPop · 06-04-2008, 12:29 AM

I think he was talking about the really early days of metallica. Thrash metal was seen by the NWOBHM boys as being quite influenced by punk, due to the extra speed of the drumming and the agression in the vocals.

Nirvana took very little from the metal that was going around in the late eightys, they were just a fuzzed out punk band.

Rainard Jalen · 06-04-2008, 01:08 AM

Thing is, Oasis are not overrated. Nobody claims that they are artistic geniuses or anything.

Well, I suppose then you'd start getting into what being 'overrated' actually means and shiz. I don't think being really popular makes you overrated. I mean, for example, why is the original poster saying that Oasis and Modest Mouse are overrated, instead of say Nickelback or something, whose last album sold almost 10 million worldwide? Clearly the focus is not merely on mass popularity but rather on some kind of perceived high status within the music community. As if, "it's alright that the masses eat up this stuff, but why do WE place it so high on the pedestal too?"

Well, I don't think we do. Most would not deny that Gallagher is good at what he does and a great mainstream songster, but few would go so far as to claim Oasis is some kind of group of absolute brilliance especially with the general acknowledgement of the quality (or lack thereof) of the output since Be Here Now (including that album).

boo boo · 06-04-2008, 02:02 AM

C'mon, Oasis make a lot of best bands lists on popular magazines. Difinitely Maybe and Whats the Story Morning Glory make it to a lot of greatest albums ever lists.

Piss Me Off · 06-04-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Thing is, Oasis are not overrated. Nobody claims that they are artistic geniuses or anything.

You've obviously never met an Oasis fanboy. "Be Here Now is just as good as Definitely Maybe!!!!"
Agh.

EDIT: I just realised this doesn't really argue my point well, but never mind.

Loser · 06-04-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

Nirvana took very little from the metal that was going around in the late eightys, they were just a fuzzed out punk band.

Listened to Bleach lately?

SubPop · 06-05-2008, 12:51 AM

Bleach is nothing like metal that was being played in the late 80's. It did have a bit of early sabbath in it. Their is no thrash/death or hair metal in Bleach. You can hear the bleach sound in a lot of metal/stonner rock bands today but there was very little of that going on in1989 or whenever bleach was released.

rundonnierun · 06-05-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

Bleach is nothing like metal that was being played in the late 80's. It did have a bit of early sabbath in it. Their is no thrash/death or hair metal in Bleach. You can hear the bleach sound in a lot of metal/stonner rock bands today but there was very little of that going on in1989 or whenever bleach was released.

I'll have to agree with this. Bleach was awesome for its time and it was before they became what they are today. Negative Creep's been covered quite a few times and it's a song that many bands have loved.

Loser · 06-05-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

Bleach is nothing like metal that was being played in the late 80's. It did have a bit of early sabbath in it. Their is no thrash/death or hair metal in Bleach. You can hear the bleach sound in a lot of metal/stonner rock bands today but there was very little of that going on in1989 or whenever bleach was released.

I agree that it wasn't a thrash/hair metal type of sound, and did cater more to the heavier stoner side. But they incorparate that type of metal sound in that album. By saying they didn't include it would be false. a fuzzed out punk band would more likely be Mudhoney than Nirvana.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-05-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

Bleach is nothing like metal that was being played in the late 80's. It did have a bit of early sabbath in it. Their is no thrash/death or hair metal in Bleach. You can hear the bleach sound in a lot of metal/stonner rock bands today but there was very little of that going on in1989 or whenever bleach was released.

Nonsense , there was loads of bands doing that sort of metal/punk/noise hybrid thing around that time and you don't even have to include the grunge movement either.
Silverfish , Bomb Disneyland , ***e Bikers On Acid , Fudge Tunnel , Leatherface , Helmet , The Melvins and I guess you could include the Butthole Surfers , and stuff like Steve Albini's various bands as well.

Bleach just sounds average compared to most of that stuff , and it was. That's why Nirvana ended up supporting most of those bands at some point.

06-04-2008, 01:08 AM	#73 (permalink)
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,221	Thing is, Oasis are not overrated. Nobody claims that they are artistic geniuses or anything. Well, I suppose then you'd start getting into what being 'overrated' actually means and shiz. I don't think being really popular makes you overrated. I mean, for example, why is the original poster saying that Oasis and Modest Mouse are overrated, instead of say Nickelback or something, whose last album sold almost 10 million worldwide? Clearly the focus is not merely on mass popularity but rather on some kind of perceived high status within the music community. As if, "it's alright that the masses eat up this stuff, but why do WE place it so high on the pedestal too?" Well, I don't think we do. Most would not deny that Gallagher is good at what he does and a great mainstream songster, but few would go so far as to claim Oasis is some kind of group of absolute brilliance especially with the general acknowledgement of the quality (or lack thereof) of the output since Be Here Now (including that album). Last edited by Rainard Jalen; 06-04-2008 at 01:40 AM.

06-04-2008, 12:29 AM	#72 (permalink)
SubPop Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 121	I think he was talking about the really early days of metallica. Thrash metal was seen by the NWOBHM boys as being quite influenced by punk, due to the extra speed of the drumming and the agression in the vocals. Nirvana took very little from the metal that was going around in the late eightys, they were just a fuzzed out punk band.

06-05-2008, 12:51 AM	#77 (permalink)
SubPop Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 121	Bleach is nothing like metal that was being played in the late 80's. It did have a bit of early sabbath in it. Their is no thrash/death or hair metal in Bleach. You can hear the bleach sound in a lot of metal/stonner rock bands today but there was very little of that going on in1989 or whenever bleach was released.