Christian Jesus Metal (lyrics, quote, youtube)

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-28-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

Well of course the devil himself didn't actually create them. The Devils's Chords, or tritones as they are more technically known, are sets of notes that were seen in the middle-ages as too dark, evil and menacing for music and therefore they were associated with the devil. Musicians who used these were often punished by the church or excommunicated. Examples of tritones are B-flat-E, F-B, B-F, A-D-flat and many others.
Listen to 'Black Sabbath' by Black Sabbath for perfect examples.

Yeah, well it is a bunch of middle age bull**** because I doubt that a note can be too dark. The Bible doesn't really have any sound so to say that a sound is holy or not is totally ludicrous.

mr dave · 04-28-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Yeah, well it is a bunch of middle age bull**** because I doubt that a note can be too dark. The Bible doesn't really have any sound so to say that a sound is holy or not is totally ludicrous.

when the only way to be a musician was to compose music for the king (who ruled through divine right / appointed by god) or the church, you did what they said when it came to composing. if the powers that be decided a chord progression wasn't acceptable they made sure it wasn't used. after all, they were interested in making sacred music, not secular.

to act as if the church didn't have significant control over society in the middle ages is even more ludicrous than the idea that a note is too dark to be used in music.

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-30-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

when the only way to be a musician was to compose music for the king (who ruled through divine right / appointed by god) or the church, you did what they said when it came to composing. if the powers that be decided a chord progression wasn't acceptable they made sure it wasn't used. after all, they were interested in making sacred music, not secular.

to act as if the church didn't have significant control over society in the middle ages is even more ludicrous than the idea that a note is too dark to be used in music.

Yes, but to be evil something must be of Satan, which the only for their to be a universal truth for Christians to accept would mean that it was in the Bible, and even then it is open to interpretation. So the only way to know if a sound is of Satan is if the Bible actually had sound, which it doesn't so even if there were satanic sounds, we wouldn't be able to tell what they are. Forget the pope and all that stuff. Find me a biblical passage where it specifies that a man outside of the Bible's writings is able to tell you what is right or wrong.

mr dave · 04-30-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Find me a biblical passage where it specifies that a man outside of the Bible's writings is able to tell you what is right or wrong.

that's just it, in the middle ages people didn't question the authority of the church and the bible. it's what it was called. to try to quantify it by todays standard IS folly but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it was called in those days.

to be evil doesn't have to be from satan. it only has to go against the socially accepted view of what is good. those who controlled the whims of society are the ones who get to chose how to describe the various elements of their society.

it's got nothing to do with the bible having sound or a lack thereof.

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-30-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

that's just it, in the middle ages people didn't question the authority of the church and the bible. it's what it was called. to try to quantify it by todays standard IS folly but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it was called in those days.

to be evil doesn't have to be from satan. it only has to go against the socially accepted view of what is good. those who controlled the whims of society are the ones who get to chose how to describe the various elements of their society.

it's got nothing to do with the bible having sound or a lack thereof.

Well, I was arguing from the standpoint that other Christians tell me that listening to music with satanic lyrics is bad and it is evil music, as in sinful and going against God. I am not trying to convince secular people so much as Christians. Secular people have nothing to worry about and can 100% free think things and accept what they want. Secular, as in being not of a religion.

mr dave · 04-30-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Well, I was arguing from the standpoint that other Christians tell me that listening to music with satanic lyrics is bad and it is evil music, as in sinful and going against God. I am not trying to convince secular people so much as Christians. Secular people have nothing to worry about and can 100% free think things and accept what they want. Secular, as in being not of a religion.

well i'm sure hardcore christian fundamentalists enjoy the argument as much as you enjoy hearing them tell you you're going to hell for listening to metal. i'm gonna go listen to some sabbath now.

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-30-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

well i'm sure hardcore christian fundamentalists enjoy the argument as much as you enjoy hearing them tell you you're going to hell for listening to metal. i'm gonna go listen to some sabbath now.

Yeah, I haven't had too much trouble with them lately. It is usually them giving a bad name for secular music in general and me stepping in saying, "Hey...wait a second."