Christian Jesus Metal (lyrics, techno, rock, Religious, quote)

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-15-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I suppose Black Sabbath were into all that, not massively though. The earliest i can think is Led Zeppelin played backwards

I'm thinking probs late 80's/early 90's.

Black Sabbath's lyrics had a christian undertone and used vague referances to occultism to point out how bad it was more so than glorifying it.

mr dave · 04-15-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

Black Sabbath's lyrics had a christian undertone and used vague referances to occultism to point out how bad it was more so than glorifying it.

this is true. but they definitely used the dark imagery to their advantage. people need to keep in mind that the world was a much different place in 1970 than it was in 1990. just the name 'black sabbath' pissed off old ladies because it implied negative connotations about a holy day.

the free press they received from church groups taking their lyrics out of context definitely didn't hurt their career. being that they, along with alice cooper, were the first really large scale shock rockers they didn't really need to go that far to scare all the soccer moms of the day. by the time the 90s rolled around the kids who ignored their parent's warnings about the devil music of black sabbath were parents themselves and weren't going to be shocked by the same tricks again. so things did inevitably get ramped up.

but from the get go metal has always been about aggression and darkness, isolation / rejection from society, aside from communication breakdown and the break in whole lotta love does anything in zeppelin's catalog sound remotely like metal? now compare that to 'black sabbath' the song - first track on the first album? that still sounds effing METUHL! today.

metal didn't get hijaked until the 80s when church groups decided to try recruiting disciples through cheeseball crap like the video linked in the OP. it's more contrived than the last #1 timbaland produced.

jack black said it best. METAL! it comes from HELL!

tkpb938 · 04-15-2008, 04:20 PM

Lol this thread is funny... I hate christian jesus metal as much as gore/devil/black metal so ya.

B_Kozub · 10-14-2008, 11:28 AM

hooray for jesus

Double X · 10-14-2008, 03:22 PM

I think that a lot of mainstream music has followed what the masses want, not the other way around.

It's impossible to argue with anyone who holds a different belief than you so these people haven't made a single valid point to me at all.

In fact...I gotta take care of buisness soon

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-15-2008, 04:37 PM

There was a band in the late 60s / early 70s called Black Widow who took things much further than Sabbath ever did regarding satanic imagery.

In fact they used to do a mock sacrifice of a nude woman on stage every night.

mr dave · 04-15-2008, 04:45 PM

well that's cool. had they tried going commercial with that do you think they could have indirectly pushed the mainstream in the same way sabbath did in that era?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 04-15-2008, 04:48 PM

According to their band history they did try to go commerical.

And got dropped by their record company

Their debut album did go top 40 , so it's not like they were total unknowns at the time , I guess they were just eclipsed by Sabbath over time.

mr dave · 04-15-2008, 05:38 PM

not really surprised they got dropped. kind of surprising that their album hit the top 40 though. then again in the days before youtube and mtv crazy stage antics were mostly learned about through word of mouth. their songs were probably decent but they pushed a little too hard too soon. scaring the parents = success, scaring the kids = no one coming out to the shows.

CaptainSuck · 04-15-2008, 05:50 PM

Metal ALWAYS carried some questionable imagery, even in the days of Hair Metal and stage theatrics. It was either intended to be offensive, bleak, or just too loud for the squares to handle

Despite being the logical next step in the taboo, Satanic imagery isn't that rampant in metal... I could even go as far as to say it's confined to Black Metal nowadays. With the exception of say, Immolation or Incantation, Death Metal has always been rooted lyrically in the field of violence or horror, with little to no impact on their image or live shows. Grind is generally socio-politico or absurdly gorey/campy, and Thrash has it's left-handed moments, but they're not all Slayer or Dark Angel descendents.
It's always been stupid, but the counter bands are even worse.

10-14-2008, 11:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
B_Kozub Groupie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Rochester Posts: 5	Jesus hooray for jesus

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	There was a band in the late 60s / early 70s called Black Widow who took things much further than Sabbath ever did regarding satanic imagery. In fact they used to do a mock sacrifice of a nude woman on stage every night. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

04-15-2008, 04:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	According to their band history they did try to go commerical. And got dropped by their record company Their debut album did go top 40 , so it's not like they were total unknowns at the time , I guess they were just eclipsed by Sabbath over time. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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tkpb938 Lvl 70 Troll Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Phoenix Posts: 482	Lol this thread is funny... I hate christian jesus metal as much as gore/devil/black metal so ya.

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Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	I think that a lot of mainstream music has followed what the masses want, not the other way around. It's impossible to argue with anyone who holds a different belief than you so these people haven't made a single valid point to me at all. In fact...I gotta take care of buisness soon

04-15-2008, 05:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
CaptainSuck pro-wuss Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cornwall, NY Posts: 110	Metal ALWAYS carried some questionable imagery, even in the days of Hair Metal and stage theatrics. It was either intended to be offensive, bleak, or just too loud for the squares to handle Despite being the logical next step in the taboo, Satanic imagery isn't that rampant in metal... I could even go as far as to say it's confined to Black Metal nowadays. With the exception of say, Immolation or Incantation, Death Metal has always been rooted lyrically in the field of violence or horror, with little to no impact on their image or live shows. Grind is generally socio-politico or absurdly gorey/campy, and Thrash has it's left-handed moments, but they're not all Slayer or Dark Angel descendents. It's always been stupid, but the counter bands are even worse.