The Smut and Sadism of Rock (lyrics, dancing, music video, metal)

Comus · 03-12-2008, 08:09 AM

Even at the time all those stickers did was ensure sales of the CD.

Predator · 03-12-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Pointing the finger at artistic expression is an inadequate way of absolving yourself of parental responsibility.
There will always be garbage out there and if you can't communicate with your children about it perhaps THAT'S what you should be worried about, not the lyrics to a hip hop song.

Exactly. All to often parents, politicians, religious leaders and so on want to blame everything but themselves. Johnny stole a car so he must have gotten the idea from a video game. Billy robbed a store and shot the clerk, he must have gotten the idea from a rap star. Sarah sleeps with everyone she meets, it must be that hip hop song. Why can't anyone take responsibility? If my kids knock off a 7-11, its because I failed at teaching them what is right and wrong. It was me that failed to teach them responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Comus

Even at the time all those stickers did was ensure sales of the CD.

You have to consider the stores that either will not sell music with the stickers or won't sell it to minors. I went into many stores that would not sell me music with the sticker. There are plenty of stores that will not sell anything with the sticker.

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

Exactly. All to often parents, politicians, religious leaders and so on want to blame everything but themselves. Johnny stole a car so he must have gotten the idea from a video game. Billy robbed a store and shot the clerk, he must have gotten the idea from a rap star. Sarah sleeps with everyone she meets, it must be that hip hop song. Why can't anyone take responsibility? If my kids knock off a 7-11, its because I failed at teaching them what is right and wrong. It was me that failed to teach them responsibility.

Parents can only do so much in educating their children. Peer pressure is an even bigger problem for children today and wanting to fit into a crowd can sometimes override whatever the childs upbringing. My eldest son is 14 and listens to commercial Hip Hop (I have tried and failed to get him off it!) which of course is misogonystic, full of expletives, glorifies crime and gang culture yet he does'nt hang around street corners, never causes any trouble and is polite to anyone he encounters. The problems are much deeper and complicated than you say. parents have a MASSIVE responsibility of that there is no doubt, but not everything is the parents fault.

Technology has got to a point where it saturates childrens lives and they are subjected to far more stimuli than when I was growing up, it is obvious that some media will influence children but no one section of it is responsible for bad behaviour.

Predator · 03-13-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Parents can only do so much in educating their children. Peer pressure is an even bigger problem for children today and wanting to fit into a crowd can sometimes override whatever the childs upbringing. My eldest son is 14 and listens to commercial Hip Hop (I have tried and failed to get him off it!) which of course is misogonystic, full of expletives, glorifies crime and gang culture yet he does'nt hang around street corners, never causes any trouble and is polite to anyone he encounters. The problems are much deeper and complicated than you say. parents have a MASSIVE responsibility of that there is no doubt, but not everything is the parents fault.

Technology has got to a point where it saturates childrens lives and they are subjected to far more stimuli than when I was growing up, it is obvious that some media will influence children but no one section of it is responsible for bad behaviour.

Do you think I'm saying that music is to blame? Depending on the child's upbringing, they will be more or less likely to give in to peer pressure and influence from artistic expression. No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do. I have maybe 12 years to give them the moral foundation to build on. After that they will continue to build on what I taught them. I'm not for a second saying that after 12 years old I am no longer responsible for teaching them. I'm just saying that after about 12 years old, they learn from the world. They will interpret the world based on what I have taught them. If I don't do a good job teaching my kids that it isn't ok to hurt other people, they will be more easily influenced by violent tv and movies. They will be more likely to act out a scene from jackass. The point I'm trying to make is to do a good job and lay a good foundation so there is no need to hide anything from them.

TheJew · 03-26-2008, 09:54 PM

Parents can't and shouldn't be in total control of what their kids listen to.

Now, that isn't to say music that portrays violent sexual concepts is good in any respect. Hell, if you write music like that it just shows the lack of innovation and creativity the artist possesses. If you can't come up with songs with meaning and messages than you shouldn't be performing, period.

boo boo · 04-01-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Comus

Even at the time all those stickers did was ensure sales of the CD.

Until some stores stopped carrying CDs with those stickers, of course.

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TheJew Groupie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In my bass drum Posts: 22	Parents can't and shouldn't be in total control of what their kids listen to. Now, that isn't to say music that portrays violent sexual concepts is good in any respect. Hell, if you write music like that it just shows the lack of innovation and creativity the artist possesses. If you can't come up with songs with meaning and messages than you shouldn't be performing, period. __________________ Listen to Bob Marley.