The Smut and Sadism of Rock (metal, rap, favorite song, fan)

Predator · 03-13-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

So do you think you have failed then?

No, because my children know the difference between fantasy and reality, at least as far as a child can.

Why are you antagonizing me?

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 08:07 PM

I came in half way through? Apologies for not being there at the start of the thread. I cannot spread myself everywhere at once. If you had read my responses you would have deduced that there is a myriad of problems that afflict the youth of today and laying the blame at any one facet of society is narrowminded and short sighted. As for the gutting of a prostitute , I have no idea what you are alluding to but if you have that sort of music in your collection then it is up to you to censor what you listen to and what youre children are exposed to. The music industry has no moral obligation at this time to censor themselves. Judging by mainstream U.S tv, these acts would not get the time of day so if that is censored what is the problem?

Predator · 03-13-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

I came in half way through? Apologies for not being there at the start of the thread. I cannot spread myself everywhere at once. If you had read my responses you would have deduced that there is a myriad of problems that afflict the youth of today and laying the blame at any one facet of society is narrowminded and short sighted. As for the gutting of a prostitute , I have no idea what you are alluding to but if you have that sort of music in your collection then it is up to you to censor what you listen to and what youre children are exposed to. The music industry has no moral obligation at this time to censor themselves. Judging by mainstream U.S tv, these acts would not get the time of day so if that is censored what is the problem?

The part I made bold is exactly the point of this thread in the first place. The PMRC wanted to place the responsibility of protecting our youth from vulgar music on the music industry. My point is that it is the parents responsibility, not the music industry. Everyone has the right to raise their children however they want, I choose to take the stance that my most important role is in teaching my children higher morals so they can deal with the world without being ignorant about it. I feel that the only way that society can have a negative impact in my children's lives is if I do not take the time to teach them the difference between right and wrong. If I manage to give them the impression that popularity is more important than doing what is right, they will do wrong. My opinion is mine and I have no interest in changing anyones mind. I started this thread to have a civil discussion about how others feel about this subject.

sleepy jack · 03-22-2008, 04:46 AM

I'd like to resurface this thread to point out some things that I think we're missing before. Do you guys realize how ridiculous some of the arguments the PMRC were presenting were? The most ludicrous (and also frequent one brought up) was that AIDS is rock music's fault. I've been watching videos and reading interviews on this all night with Frank Zappa, Jello Biafra, Dee Snider etc because I'm bored and the after all this it's fairly obvious the PMRC's intentions had more to do with creating politically correct utopia America crap than simply letting the parents know what was going on. They're tactics we're laughable but they stunk more of fear mongering then they did of trying to protect the parents.

This is an accurate description for what I was talking about.

~~Farfisa~~ · 03-24-2008, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

Ten year old kids shouldn't be listening to "Crazy Bitch" or "I Wanna **** You", but I don't see a problem with them listening to some milder stuff. It's really up to the parents. If they wanna let their kids listen to whatever they want, who is Tipper Gore to tell them otherwise?

I think kids listen to that kind of music because they think they would be socialy excepted by others because cursing is supercool to preteens and little kids for some reason.

TheJew · 03-26-2008, 10:54 PM

Parents can't and shouldn't be in total control of what their kids listen to.

Now, that isn't to say music that portrays violent sexual concepts is good in any respect. Hell, if you write music like that it just shows the lack of innovation and creativity the artist possesses. If you can't come up with songs with meaning and messages than you shouldn't be performing, period.

rockalternativeindiepunk1 · 03-29-2008, 04:13 PM

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The bad news is that most purveyors of porno rock think they can get by with anything by simply accusing their critics of advocating censorship.

Is Porno rock a real genre?

GravitySlips · 03-29-2008, 04:33 PM

yeah it is.

digglefallen · 03-30-2008, 03:35 PM

"In another disconcerting development, some rock artists promote and glorify suicide. Ozzy Osbourne sings "Suicide Solution"; Blue Oyster Cult sings "Don't Fear the Reaper"; AC/DC sings "Shoot to Thrill." Every year half a million teenagers attempt suicide. More than 6,000 succeed. Yet too many of the executives of the rock record industry apparently don't care." -Tipper Gore

Well I don't really think Don't Fear the Reaper is about suicide....I mean if you wanna go there Stairway to Heaven could very well also be about suicide. But neither are, I think Dont Fear The Reaper is about how death is natural.

Anyway, yes in these twisted times I think we should have censoring. I mean songs abotu rape? That's horrible! Yes sexual inuendos have always been in rock, but theres a difference between inuendos and graphic immages.

sleepy jack · 03-30-2008, 03:36 PM

Why should songs about rape and suicide be censored?

03-13-2008, 08:07 PM	#32 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I came in half way through? Apologies for not being there at the start of the thread. I cannot spread myself everywhere at once. If you had read my responses you would have deduced that there is a myriad of problems that afflict the youth of today and laying the blame at any one facet of society is narrowminded and short sighted. As for the gutting of a prostitute , I have no idea what you are alluding to but if you have that sort of music in your collection then it is up to you to censor what you listen to and what youre children are exposed to. The music industry has no moral obligation at this time to censor themselves. Judging by mainstream U.S tv, these acts would not get the time of day so if that is censored what is the problem? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-26-2008, 10:54 PM	#36 (permalink)
TheJew Groupie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: In my bass drum Posts: 22	Parents can't and shouldn't be in total control of what their kids listen to. Now, that isn't to say music that portrays violent sexual concepts is good in any respect. Hell, if you write music like that it just shows the lack of innovation and creativity the artist possesses. If you can't come up with songs with meaning and messages than you shouldn't be performing, period. __________________ Listen to Bob Marley.

03-30-2008, 03:35 PM	#39 (permalink)
digglefallen Groupie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 20	"In another disconcerting development, some rock artists promote and glorify suicide. Ozzy Osbourne sings "Suicide Solution"; Blue Oyster Cult sings "Don't Fear the Reaper"; AC/DC sings "Shoot to Thrill." Every year half a million teenagers attempt suicide. More than 6,000 succeed. Yet too many of the executives of the rock record industry apparently don't care." -Tipper Gore Well I don't really think Don't Fear the Reaper is about suicide....I mean if you wanna go there Stairway to Heaven could very well also be about suicide. But neither are, I think Dont Fear The Reaper is about how death is natural. Anyway, yes in these twisted times I think we should have censoring. I mean songs abotu rape? That's horrible! Yes sexual inuendos have always been in rock, but theres a difference between inuendos and graphic immages. __________________ Whats money? A man is a sucess if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night. And in between he does what he wants." -Bob Dylan People who can't spell artist's names piss me off. (It's Lynyrd freakin' Skynyrd, get it right!)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-29-2008, 04:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
GravitySlips Music Addict Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,578	yeah it is.