The Smut and Sadism of Rock (genre, AC/DC, concert, shows)

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 03:01 PM

Same here. I was watching the legendary Video Nasties of the 80's when I was ten and worshipping at the altar of Satan @ 14. Only kidding. I just hate the fact that one particular facet is to be blamed. The problems run far deeper than that.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-13-2008, 03:03 PM

It was a bit difficult for me to get away from video nasties.

My mother collected them all

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 03:05 PM

I think I got my love of horror from my dad who let me watch them but he was and still is a good man who taught me right from wrong. I did'nt get my boozing from him so that once again proves it is not always the parents fault!

Predator · 03-13-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Parents can only do so much in educating their children. Peer pressure is an even bigger problem for children today and wanting to fit into a crowd can sometimes override whatever the childs upbringing. My eldest son is 14 and listens to commercial Hip Hop (I have tried and failed to get him off it!) which of course is misogonystic, full of expletives, glorifies crime and gang culture yet he does'nt hang around street corners, never causes any trouble and is polite to anyone he encounters. The problems are much deeper and complicated than you say. parents have a MASSIVE responsibility of that there is no doubt, but not everything is the parents fault.

Technology has got to a point where it saturates childrens lives and they are subjected to far more stimuli than when I was growing up, it is obvious that some media will influence children but no one section of it is responsible for bad behaviour.

Do you think I'm saying that music is to blame? Depending on the child's upbringing, they will be more or less likely to give in to peer pressure and influence from artistic expression. No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do. I have maybe 12 years to give them the moral foundation to build on. After that they will continue to build on what I taught them. I'm not for a second saying that after 12 years old I am no longer responsible for teaching them. I'm just saying that after about 12 years old, they learn from the world. They will interpret the world based on what I have taught them. If I don't do a good job teaching my kids that it isn't ok to hurt other people, they will be more easily influenced by violent tv and movies. They will be more likely to act out a scene from jackass. The point I'm trying to make is to do a good job and lay a good foundation so there is no need to hide anything from them.

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 07:26 PM

--No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do.--

You have contradicted yourself though. It's not completely the parents fault but then you take full responsibility for your childs actions? Having a child is the greatest responsibility we can have. I'm not that good at it, I just try to do my best and sometimes that is not enough. I appreciate what you are trying to say but until you have children of your own you can never take a moral highpoint until you have experienced being a parent.

Predator · 03-13-2008, 07:42 PM

Until I have children of my own? Get your facts strait before attacking me. I have 3 kids and was responsible for raising 2 nieces and a nephew when I was in my teens.

I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING MY KIDS. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THEY TURN OUT.

I will not stoop to blame anyone but myself if I fail.

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 07:45 PM

Go ahead then. Why start a thread if you think that it's all your fault then?

Predator · 03-13-2008, 07:50 PM

Nice edit buddy

jackhammer · 03-13-2008, 07:52 PM

So do you think you have failed then?

Predator · 03-13-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Go ahead then. Why start a thread if you think that it's all your fault then?

Because I am interested in seeing how other people view these hearings and how things changed. How does the parents responsibility weigh against the record industry? Should the music industry have any part in anything other than selling music? You decided to come in halfway through and and point out that I am wrong and it isn't the parents fault. My point again is that I have a responsibility to teach my children, all 3 of them, the morals to be able to cope with outside influences. I need to make sure that they know how to react when they hear somebody singing about gutting a prostitute.

03-13-2008, 03:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Same here. I was watching the legendary Video Nasties of the 80's when I was ten and worshipping at the altar of Satan @ 14. Only kidding. I just hate the fact that one particular facet is to be blamed. The problems run far deeper than that. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-13-2008, 03:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	It was a bit difficult for me to get away from video nasties. My mother collected them all __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

03-13-2008, 03:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I think I got my love of horror from my dad who let me watch them but he was and still is a good man who taught me right from wrong. I did'nt get my boozing from him so that once again proves it is not always the parents fault! __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-13-2008, 07:26 PM	#25 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	--No, it isn't completely the parents fault, it falls on everyone involved with raising them. I take full responsibility for what my children do.-- You have contradicted yourself though. It's not completely the parents fault but then you take full responsibility for your childs actions? Having a child is the greatest responsibility we can have. I'm not that good at it, I just try to do my best and sometimes that is not enough. I appreciate what you are trying to say but until you have children of your own you can never take a moral highpoint until you have experienced being a parent. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-13-2008, 07:42 PM	#26 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	Until I have children of my own? Get your facts strait before attacking me. I have 3 kids and was responsible for raising 2 nieces and a nephew when I was in my teens. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING MY KIDS. I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW THEY TURN OUT. I will not stoop to blame anyone but myself if I fail. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-13-2008, 07:45 PM	#27 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Go ahead then. Why start a thread if you think that it's all your fault then? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

03-13-2008, 07:50 PM	#28 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	Nice edit buddy __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-13-2008, 07:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	So do you think you have failed then? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”