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Old 02-24-2008, 01:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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the innerworkings of metal share a lot in common with classical. The riff, they would call it "ostinato", is very common in many forms of classical. Much of metal has some symphonic elements and like I said, the very idea behind the shred solos we hear in metal are very neoclassical.

Bands that are classical influenced:

Deep Purple
Rush
99.9% of all power metal bands
most Traditional, NWOBHM, and Speed Metal bands (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rage, Rainbow, Diamond Head)
Malmsteen
Necrophagist (and other similar Tech Death bands)
Symphony X
Dream Theater
Children of Bodom (and Bodom clones)
Dimmu Borgir (and similar bands)
a good portion of Black Metal (especially Bathory)
any Symphonic/Gothic Metal band

Rock; it gets a bit less obvious since it is rooted in Blues. Many prog rock bands though, from what I have heard (like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, ect) take on Classical influences and sound great.

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Old 02-24-2008, 01:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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the innerworkings of metal share a lot in common with classical. The riff, they would call it "ostinato", is very common in many forms of classical. Much of metal has some symphonic elements and like I said, the very idea behind the shred solos we hear in metal are very neoclassical.

Bands that are classical influenced:

Deep Purple
Rush
99.9% of all power metal bands
most Traditional, NWOBHM, and Speed Metal bands (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rage, Rainbow, Diamond Head)
Malmsteen
Necrophagist (and other similar Tech Death bands)
Symphony X
Dream Theater
Children of Bodom (and Bodom clones)
Dimmu Borgir (and similar bands)
a good portion of Black Metal (especially Bathory)
any Symphonic/Gothic Metal band

Rock; it gets a bit less obvious since it is rooted in Blues. Many prog rock bands though, from what I have heard (like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, ect) take on Classical influences and sound great.
I understand what you are saying - I'm referring more to this metal music that is designed to SOUND classical. Not simply influenced by classical.
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Old 02-24-2008, 04:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The band 'YES' is the most influenced rock band by classical music, In my opinion. Of course I think that the Beatles were also influenced by classical music.

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Old 02-24-2008, 06:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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You mean stuff like this?
YouTube - Children of bodom - Four seasons

I don't see what is wrong with that.
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You mean stuff like this?
YouTube - Children of bodom - Four seasons

I don't see what is wrong with that.
That, I liked. But it was a classic piece.

Still, that = good.

Something in imitation of that but with cookie monster vocals on top: odd.

Something in imitation of that but with full vibrato operatic vocals: absurd.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I still dont understand exactly what it is you're getting at in this thread.

I like rock bands that use strings, mainly. Probably because of that I have learned to enjoy bands that are influenced by classical, or work with orchestra's.

Given some of the bands that have already been mentioned (I was tempted to mention Bathory and Maiden and also Metallica's S&M album) I'm struggling to understand exactly what it is with classical music you dont like, as it sounds as though what you really dont like are certain vocalists?
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That, I liked. But it was a classic piece.

Still, that = good.

Something in imitation of that but with cookie monster vocals on top: odd.

Something in imitation of that but with full vibrato operatic vocals: absurd.
sounds like it just isn't your cup of tea. Some will dig it, some wont.
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sounds like it just isn't your cup of tea. Some will dig it, some wont.
Eh, well at the end of the day I guess it has to come down to that. I just find it sounds odd or misplaced, is all. Everyone's got their tolerance levels at the end of the day, like you say.


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I still dont understand exactly what it is you're getting at in this thread.

I like rock bands that use strings, mainly. Probably because of that I have learned to enjoy bands that are influenced by classical, or work with orchestra's.

Given some of the bands that have already been mentioned (I was tempted to mention Bathory and Maiden and also Metallica's S&M album) I'm struggling to understand exactly what it is with classical music you dont like, as it sounds as though what you really dont like are certain vocalists?
Regarding strings, it's not strings I don't like - it's those scalic electric guitar riffs that are trying to sound like Bach, with heavy drumming on top, with heavy vibrato operatic vocals. I think it leads to a sound that seems altogether peculiar and out of place. But like Muzak said, ultimately all it boils down to is that it isn't my cup of tea.

I'm interested in how many people share my sentiments on this matter. It seems, so far, not very many. Sigh.
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:58 PM   #19 (permalink)
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When is their any problem with a sound mix? I find it better then listening to the 500 shitty power metal/brutal death metal bands that all sound the same,
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When is their any problem with a sound mix? I find it better then listening to the 500 shitty power metal/brutal death metal bands that all sound the same,
I said at the start, it's not sound mixes I oppose. I like combinations of metal and folk, for example. What I don't like are hybrids that I feel sound extraordinarily & unhealthily peculiar and wrong.
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