The UK invented Rock with The WHO (blues, pop, punk)

right-track · 02-23-2008, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ADELE

Prove me wrong?
Who was the first rock band if it wasn't The Who.
I claim the first real rock band for the UK.
Discuss all you envious Americans who have never bettered them.
We also invented Progressive Rock with pink floyd.
We also invented Heavy Metal with Black Sabbath.

The Americans invented hairspray rock!
Discuss with facts.

I'm British and fact is, your wild claims are beginning to embarrass me.
As good as The Who are and as much as I like them, I have to say they didn't just invent Rock.
Genres aren't invented.

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Originally Posted by ADELE

I am talking about definitive moments when things changed and became somtheing new. The who were mods which is a UK scene of very sharp arrogant proud hip types but they became rock n roll that inspired all the led zeppilen and then black sabbath and stadium rock.

A word about The Who being mods...like The Who, the mod movement began with black American R&B.
They didn't "become rock n roll" either, the genuine mod types continued through Soul, Northern Soul and more loosely, Ska.

You really should do your homework ADELE, instead of making threads about something you only have a vague idea of, topped off with what appears to be your own imaginings.

Rainard Jalen · 02-23-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ADELE

I'd love you guys and girls to write a book about rock history.
It all began in a feild in Africa and developed from there.
the end

I am talking about definitive moments when things changed and became somtheing new. The who were mods which is a UK scene of very sharp arrogant proud hip types but they became rock n roll that inspired all the led zeppilen and then black sabbath and stadium rock. Forget music ancestory.
Like art is categorised into periods but all have to do with what went before and so does film making. Marlon Brando didn't invent method acting but he created it in history for us to see. That is how it got into the dictionary and became known.
Therefore looking back we only have names and dates and history because of him and it.
Who remembers ragtime music?
Why doesn't it have a section in this forum?
Because it is forgotton. Same with skiffle which was huge once. What took pop music as it was called and turned it into hard rock n roll then followed by the zeppilen et al?
THE WHO

Ok, so the sum and substance of your argument is not really about who INVENTED the sound, but rather who made it MATTER. And it's in that sense that you mean "invention".

In that case, you might be able to justify your position on The Who. But you should be more clear about what you are saying. The way you were phrasing it was as if to say that they invented the sound, the aesthetic and so forth, which is nonsense.

right-track · 02-23-2008, 03:57 AM

I do like her threads...they're brave.

Necromancer · 02-23-2008, 04:09 AM

My guess would be Rock & Roll, compared to, as the closest decade to todays age of modern rock. Would in my opinion be in & around the 50s. with the electric guitar, bass, etc. as guitar effects, reverb, overdrive, fuzz, etc. were added in the last 50yrs+. The Who, etc. was about 15yrs or so down the line. (In my opinion)

Musique N Style · 02-23-2008, 05:07 PM

I think if anything, in regards to "My Generation", The Who would be the first punk band, not so much rock generally. Their antics on stage were just screaming "punk" especially with Keith Moon's destructive ass.

Rainard Jalen · 02-23-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Musique N Style

I think if anything, in regards to "My Generation", The Who would be the first punk band, not so much rock generally. Their antics on stage were just screaming "punk" especially with Keith Moon's destructive ass.

But most of their better known music just isn't particularly punky really.

Musique N Style · 02-23-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

But most of their better known music just isn't particularly punky really.

Yeah I know...that's why I mentioned "My Generation" and their onstage act. Everything else really wasn't punk but those 2 things were the first of a movement.

-Peace, Love & Soul™

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-23-2008, 05:18 PM

They wern't the first to do that or sound like that.

~~ADELE~~ · 02-24-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Ok, so the sum and substance of your argument is not really about who INVENTED the sound, but rather who made it MATTER. And it's in that sense that you mean "invention".

In that case, you might be able to justify your position on The Who. But you should be more clear about what you are saying. The way you were phrasing it was as if to say that they invented the sound, the aesthetic and so forth, which is nonsense.

Yeah you do have a point but my talent lies in ideas and endeavors and spirit not been an editor or dictionary buff. I write off the cuff as I trust my instinct but therfore make errrors in presentation.

Also I am not a woman I am a Irishmon living in Kent!

~~ADELE~~ · 02-24-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Musique N Style

I think if anything, in regards to "My Generation", The Who would be the first punk band, not so much rock generally. Their antics on stage were just screaming "punk" especially with Keith Moon's destructive ass.

Yeah I agree with that.
I think on reflection if we are all totally honest with ourselves the Who are probably the best live band ever. Certainly the first live band to do stadium rock.
I used to love "behind blue eyes" and still do but I've mellowed with age.
You could say the who were punk. I know your point about mods being american R&B.
Without wanting to sound in anyway patronising when you look at it rock n roll as we know it came about through black slavery and the artists that sang about what it was like. I really think that is true.
I mean all Rock n Roll. Inspired Elvis and the stones and the who and the Beatles etc etc and so on.
Watch the blues brothers when they go into Harlem or wherever to buy instruments!!! That is how it started.
But there are moments when a new era begins and all go that way. A signal post that changes the way we all go.
The Who definately made Hard Rock.

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