Before i go off talking about this, which i most certanly will, in time, answer this question since it is the entire reason we are arguing in the first place.

How do Chevelle and Staind sound SO similar?

I mean apart from the givens and simple ones resulting from being in the same genre...what else is there?

Staind was probably a bad example since they're acoustic but when they kick into the more heavy parts they're very similar, though Chevelle tends to be faster and less melodic.Similar guitar tones, both have "afflicted" vocals, lyrics dealing with depressive issues, in addition to the similar tones (on the electric guitars) all their songs are typical power chord rock with the bass mirroring the notes. Songs like the Red are more similar I guess but they still are pretty similar at points, the other bands I compared them to are more close but I guess thats why you ignored them.

The guitar styling is different, Elliotts finger picking Conors strumming and the vocals are different as I've already pointed out. Elliott's are hushed and quiet Conor's are the opposite. Stop editing posts several minutes after I reply to them, it's annoying. They are pretty similar because its just acoustic guitars and voice a naturally but typically when people talk about Conor Oberst's music they're referring to Bright Eyes because you know, that stuff was actually released.

No i picked them because you used Staind as an example twice. Again when you are faced with coming up with actual arguments on similarities you completely fail to. All you just told me was a couple things such as similar guitar tones and "afflicted vocals" which is expected of that genre.

And the bass notes and the chords etc I said more than that. How didn't I explain their similarities? Are you thick or just have some selective reading disorder?

Wow bass notes and chords. You know what you have convinced me. Like 99% of bands out there they have used a shadowing baseline and typical chords. You are right because of that they lack all origonallity and sound EXACTLY like Tool.

I have to go for a few hours, but am more than willing to continue this later.

Um, I never said they sound exactly like Tool all I said was they vocal stylings weren't original, they were just taken from Maynard. I explained quite a bit on why they sound similar. Their music is power chord based rock with similar 'heavy tones' with a bass mirroring the notes and a typical drum beat holding it all together as well as lyrics dealing with depressive issues in a standard verse/chorus format. You can get all pissy about it but the simple fact is Chevelle are doing nothing original, what I just described may sound generic and applicable to most rock bands and the reason for that is because they ARE a generic rock band.

I've been backing up my opinions and explaining them. You've been selective in your responding to them only responding to the stuff you can actually argue because the simple fact is: Chevelle aren't original they're very typical. So you can drop the Conor/Elliott argument (which I still don't understand what you're trying to achieve by bringing up since I've only ever said they were original at certain points in their career and you're arguing that Elliott just ripped off Conor's unreleased material or something I don't understand) and if you want to respond you can actually respond to the entire argument instead of just bits and parts of it that you feel like responding to.

Point #1 is a good album.

Yeah the only real comparison to Tool you can make with Chevelle is the vocal style. The music isn't nearly as well crafted as Tool. But Chevelle is still one of the better mainstream bands out there.

why do we allways compare everyone to tool?