The Official Nirvana/Kurt Cobain Thread (lyrics, pop, rock, ballad)

sleepy jack · 09-29-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Uhm maybe I'm alone on this but I think Nirvana is typical alternative punk. Bleach definitely and then they fade more into rock with their later albums.

Quoted for tr00f.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 09-29-2006, 06:40 PM

I agree a lot with what Stone Magnet said.

I`d take raw emotion over technical skill anyday.Not every song has to have a blinding guitar solo to make it a good song.
I`ve never been a huge Nirvana groupie but the guy did write some good songs and they way they were played fitted with the nature of writing.
The lyrics were chaotic , as was the playing. If you`re criticising them for that then you have obviously missed the point of what they were aiming for.

Basically I can handle music being really bad or really good , what I can`t be doing with is music that is boring.

Whatever their faults I don`t think anybody could ever claim Nirvana were boring.

ZeppelinAir · 09-29-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

Uhm maybe I'm alone on this but I think Nirvana is typical alternative punk. Bleach definitely and then they fade more into rock with their later albums.

you do have a point with Bleach, it was more punk

Merkaba · 09-29-2006, 09:39 PM

Yeah I find Bleach very sludgey too.

Whats wrong with depression and nonsensical lyrics? Far more effective and entertaining than lala "I don't know where I'm going with this song" Pearl Jam (post Ten).

~~bungalow~~ · 09-29-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeppelinAir

how the hell could they kill music, if anything they helped it recover from a downward spiral, when Nirvana came out in the early 90's it attention away from the punk rock that was growing at the time. They helped drive the influence for other bands like Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam. And both are big to this day

Bahahahaha...hahaha. Yeah man, Nirvana DEFINITLY got us away from punk.
Nirvana is your run of the mill wanna-be punk, I hardly think they killed it, they just did it worse.

cardboard adolescent · 09-29-2006, 10:18 PM

Run of the mill wanna-be punk? I'd say that would be your bias getting in the way of making some sort of informed judgement. If anything, they were "wanna-be" Melvins on Bleach, "wanna-be" Pixies on Nevermind, and I'm not sure what they were going for on In Utero but it ended up sounding like a Steve Albini record.

They didn't kill music, they brought the alternative scene that had been building since the early 80's into the mainstream, where it was subsequently bastardized, and made underground music spiral away from its guitar-oriented post-punk tendencies and towards... prog.

So, what I'm saying, is Nirvana gave us post-rock. That might be a bit of a stretch, since Laughing Stock, arguably the first post-rock record, was recorded in '91, but I do sincerely believe that with "grunge" and all the alternative rock associated with it in the mainstream, those who wanted to reject the mainstream had to turn to its polar opposite.

tdoc210 · 09-29-2006, 10:29 PM

there was so much betetr from 87- to 94'

coffeeshop · 09-30-2006, 11:03 AM

That is the funniest thread title I have ever seen. Made me laugh out loud anyway.

Raine · 09-30-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

I've never understood why people say that. Bleach sounds nothing like the Melvins, save the main riff on "Paper Cuts".

Same genre, similar sound plus the Melvin's did a cover up smells like teen spriit which in my opinion clearly means that Nirvana was far better and they (the melvins) know it.

and in answer to the thread question. Nirvana didn't kill music. In fact they didn't kill anything.
And I'd hardly think of their lyrics as nonsense or their music as depressing.

Raine · 09-30-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Magnet

Something tells me you've never listened to a Melvins album.

the melvins are something of a garage band and i don't see much difference between that and grunge (what i consider nirvana)

but i do own two melvin's albums and i never listen to them.

09-29-2006, 06:40 PM	#1262 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I agree a lot with what Stone Magnet said. I`d take raw emotion over technical skill anyday.Not every song has to have a blinding guitar solo to make it a good song. I`ve never been a huge Nirvana groupie but the guy did write some good songs and they way they were played fitted with the nature of writing. The lyrics were chaotic , as was the playing. If you`re criticising them for that then you have obviously missed the point of what they were aiming for. Basically I can handle music being really bad or really good , what I can`t be doing with is music that is boring. Whatever their faults I don`t think anybody could ever claim Nirvana were boring. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Yeah I find Bleach very sludgey too. Whats wrong with depression and nonsensical lyrics? Far more effective and entertaining than lala "I don't know where I'm going with this song" Pearl Jam (post Ten). __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

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tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	there was so much betetr from 87- to 94' __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

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09-29-2006, 10:18 PM	#1266 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Run of the mill wanna-be punk? I'd say that would be your bias getting in the way of making some sort of informed judgement. If anything, they were "wanna-be" Melvins on Bleach, "wanna-be" Pixies on Nevermind, and I'm not sure what they were going for on In Utero but it ended up sounding like a Steve Albini record. They didn't kill music, they brought the alternative scene that had been building since the early 80's into the mainstream, where it was subsequently bastardized, and made underground music spiral away from its guitar-oriented post-punk tendencies and towards... prog. So, what I'm saying, is Nirvana gave us post-rock. That might be a bit of a stretch, since Laughing Stock, arguably the first post-rock record, was recorded in '91, but I do sincerely believe that with "grunge" and all the alternative rock associated with it in the mainstream, those who wanted to reject the mainstream had to turn to its polar opposite.