What was the first metal band you ever listened to? (country, hardcore)

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-04-2008, 09:37 PM

Well of course i'm going to go with the 'at the time' arguements , how can I not if you're discussing hair metal. Unless you're trying to argue it's just as prevalent now as it was then.
I don't think Pop metal describes them at all considering they hated metal.
Guns n Roses played Stones style rock n roll with a punk attitude.
I don't see how that's generic as I can only think of 3 other bands that did that sort of thing. The New York Dolls , Hanoi Rocks and Primal Scream. And none of those bands sounded anything alike.

ProggyMan · 02-04-2008, 09:45 PM

'At the time' refers to them being different from other bands during the time they played, but not different from bands in the past, i.e. Wolfmother.
@Predator: I've heard all the songs you mentioned, and everyone of them falls under the two categories I mentioned.
@Urban: How the hell did they not play pop influenced Metal? They sound nothing like The Rolling Stones with a Punk attitude. They played Pop-Metal, with maybe a bit of a punk attitude, and tryed to sound 'mature' by making power ballads later down the line. If you disagree, then whatever, but that's the way I see it. I just don't get where you're coming from with Stones style Rock&Roll with a punk attitude.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-04-2008, 09:48 PM

How do I know?

By reading what the band members themselves said their influences were. In fact they covered a bunch of Stones songs for their demos.

Predator · 02-04-2008, 09:51 PM

Ahh yes, I remember now, pianos were a staple of hair metal, along with an entire f*cking orchestra. Can't forget how all hair metal bands did acoustic albums. And every one of them had amazing guitarists. You are diluted if you think they didn't offer any originality.

ProggyMan · 02-04-2008, 09:54 PM

Yes. I'm very diluted. I'm calling them Pop Metal tto make you feel better, remember? Once again, they tried to sound more 'mature' by doing power ballads and other things 'mature' bands do.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-04-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

'At the time' refers to them being different from other bands during the time they played, but not different from bands in the past, i.e. Wolfmother.

Naturally in 1987 I heard Appetite For Destruction & thought to myself
" Hmmm this is OK but in 17 years time a really average band will come along , maybe called Wolfmother and take away all it's impact".

sleepy jack · 02-04-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

Ahh yes, I remember now, pianos were a staple of hair metal, along with an entire f*cking orchestra. Can't forget how all hair metal bands did acoustic albums. And every one of them had amazing guitarists. You are diluted if you think they didn't offer any originality.

Um...

Those are just some off the top of my head. A band using an orchestra doesn't make them original, nor do pianos or acoustic guitars. Guns and Roses were different than hair metal bands for some reasons, but the reasons you listed weren't them. Really the guitarist comment is only a valid one but I'm sure there were other hair metal bands with guys who could solo well.

Predator · 02-04-2008, 10:02 PM

Pop metal? What exactly is that? Pop refers to popular music. A band cannot choose to be pop. Tried to sound more mature? It wasn't looking for a mature sound, it was trying something different. Again, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't any good.

Let me quote Suicidal here.

Quote:

Just cause you don't understand what's going on
don't mean it don't make no sense
And just cause you don't like it,
don't mean it ain't no good
And let me tell you something;
Before you go taking a walk in my world
You better take a look at the real world
Cause this ain't no Mister Roger's Neighborhood
Can you say "feel like shit"?
Yea maybe sometimes I do feel like shit
I ain't happy 'bout it, but I'd rather feel
like shit than be full of shit!
And if I offended you, oh I'm sorry...
But maybe you need to be offended
But here's my apology and one more thing...fuck you!

Predator · 02-04-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Um...

Those are just some off the top of my head. A band using an orchestra doesn't make them original, nor do pianos or acoustic guitars. Guns and Roses were different than hair metal bands for some reasons, but the reasons you listed weren't them. Really the guitarist comment is only a valid one but I'm sure there were other hair metal bands with guys who could solo well.

Ummm, Tesla is also not hair metal. Not sure what the first one was.

My point was not saying that those things made them original, the point was them trying different things. They were not generic.

sleepy jack · 02-04-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

Ummm, Tesla is also not hair metal. Not sure what the first one was.

My point was not saying that those things made them original, the point was them trying different things. They were not generic.

It was Cinderella and using pianos and acoustic guitars isn't really trying different things since they were featured in most power ballads. I can list other hair metal songs that featured acoustic guitars, Every Rose has Its Thorn is pretty famous for it.

02-04-2008, 09:37 PM	#51 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Well of course i'm going to go with the 'at the time' arguements , how can I not if you're discussing hair metal. Unless you're trying to argue it's just as prevalent now as it was then. I don't think Pop metal describes them at all considering they hated metal. Guns n Roses played Stones style rock n roll with a punk attitude. I don't see how that's generic as I can only think of 3 other bands that did that sort of thing. The New York Dolls , Hanoi Rocks and Primal Scream. And none of those bands sounded anything alike. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

02-04-2008, 09:48 PM	#53 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	How do I know? By reading what the band members themselves said their influences were. In fact they covered a bunch of Stones songs for their demos. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

02-04-2008, 09:51 PM	#54 (permalink)
Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	Ahh yes, I remember now, pianos were a staple of hair metal, along with an entire f*cking orchestra. Can't forget how all hair metal bands did acoustic albums. And every one of them had amazing guitarists. You are diluted if you think they didn't offer any originality. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

02-04-2008, 09:45 PM	#52 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	'At the time' refers to them being different from other bands during the time they played, but not different from bands in the past, i.e. Wolfmother. @Predator: I've heard all the songs you mentioned, and everyone of them falls under the two categories I mentioned. @Urban: How the hell did they not play pop influenced Metal? They sound nothing like The Rolling Stones with a Punk attitude. They played Pop-Metal, with maybe a bit of a punk attitude, and tryed to sound 'mature' by making power ballads later down the line. If you disagree, then whatever, but that's the way I see it. I just don't get where you're coming from with Stones style Rock&Roll with a punk attitude.

02-04-2008, 09:54 PM	#55 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Yes. I'm very diluted. I'm calling them Pop Metal tto make you feel better, remember? Once again, they tried to sound more 'mature' by doing power ballads and other things 'mature' bands do.