Yes, and every rose has its thorn strays from the standard glam sound as well. Poison is glam, Cinderella is also, but Guns N Roses and Tesla are not.

Let me say again that it was not those things by themselves that made them original.

That had nothing to with what I said.

How in the bloody fuck are Cinderella not Hair Metal? They were one of the most stereotypically hair metal bands around.

And no. Piano ballads is a staple of hair metal. Every hair metal band had one.

But I agree with you on one thing, Guns N Roses were pretty original, especially among their peers. They were heavier than any hair metal band, their music and image was less polished and less glam. And the UYI albums had them doing things that no other popular metal band was doing at the time. Even if you didn't like those albums, you still have to respect them for trying something different.

Crowquill and ProggyMan: If you don't even like this kind of music, Why do you come in here and bash on those that do? I have never once posted in the punk or hardcore/emo sections. Wanna know why? Cause I don't like that kind of music and all I would be able to contribute is that I think it sucks. I like rock and metal, sometimes a little rap or old country. If something sucks in my preferred genre, I'll give my opinion. I don't see the point in going around saying how much other peoples taste sucks. To each their own.

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I didn't come in here to bash Guns and Roses. Let me quote what I said and this was my entire point in coming in here "Guns and Roses were different than hair metal bands for some reasons, but the reasons you listed weren't them."

But I like Rock and Metal...

The reason, more than anything else, was their sound.

Well some hair metal bands did do the orchestral thing. But none of them did a song that was 9 minutes long, let alone a single. Its always a risk to release a single that long.

GnR did have pretty long songs...But I'd hardly call that going out on a limb stylistically.