1. Axl Rose is incredibly annoying as a person, lyricist, and singer.
2. They're annoying, generic Hair-Metal trash, with out any originality whatsoever.

And your tastes proggy?
Slash alone could make any band good. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that they're bad.

You are basing this on what?

What if everyone on the forum doesn't like them? And what if they've contributed absolutely nothing to music, except keeping the Hair-Metal trend going a few more years? Does that make them bad? Seriously, what constitutes an objectively bad band in your opinion?

One of the reasons for Appetite For Destruction's success was because they didn't sound like the rest of the hair metal sh*t that was around at the time.

Doesn't disprove any of what you quoted. Wolfmother doesn't sound like many other bands today and they're generic.

Well, your what if has just been blown out. There are at least 2 of us that do like them.
Guns N Roses never fit the bill of "hair metal". Their album structure did not fit, they did not follow a standard blueprint. They included many different elements on later albums, taking chances that other bands were scared of. They didn't follow trends. Listen to their demo tapes and it doesn't fit hair metal. Look at GNR Lies, doesn't fit, strays to far from hair metal. They got their start in the 80's, that is the only common ground.

You didn't call them generic You said they were 'generic hair metal trash'

How can they be 'generic hair metal trash' if they were doing something different to all the other hair metal bands?

Here we go with the 'at the time' arguement again. And if it makes you feel better, I'll say Pop-Metal that tried to diversify by doing power ballads. Happy?

F*ck "At the time arguments". I don't care about "At the time". They were better then, and are better now. What have you heard by them? Maybe Welcome to the Jungle? Paradise City? Try November Rain, Patience, Don't Cry, Coma, I could go on forever. Guns N Roses are one of the best bands ever. Their sound never fit in with hair metal. There was more than an urge to become famous.

Well of course i'm going to go with the 'at the time' arguements , how can I not if you're discussing hair metal. Unless you're trying to argue it's just as prevalent now as it was then.
I don't think Pop metal describes them at all considering they hated metal.
Guns n Roses played Stones style rock n roll with a punk attitude.
I don't see how that's generic as I can only think of 3 other bands that did that sort of thing. The New York Dolls , Hanoi Rocks and Primal Scream. And none of those bands sounded anything alike.

'At the time' refers to them being different from other bands during the time they played, but not different from bands in the past, i.e. Wolfmother.
@Predator: I've heard all the songs you mentioned, and everyone of them falls under the two categories I mentioned.
@Urban: How the hell did they not play pop influenced Metal? They sound nothing like The Rolling Stones with a Punk attitude. They played Pop-Metal, with maybe a bit of a punk attitude, and tryed to sound 'mature' by making power ballads later down the line. If you disagree, then whatever, but that's the way I see it. I just don't get where you're coming from with Stones style Rock&Roll with a punk attitude.

How do I know?

By reading what the band members themselves said their influences were. In fact they covered a bunch of Stones songs for their demos.

Ahh yes, I remember now, pianos were a staple of hair metal, along with an entire f*cking orchestra. Can't forget how all hair metal bands did acoustic albums. And every one of them had amazing guitarists. You are diluted if you think they didn't offer any originality.

Yes. I'm very diluted. I'm calling them Pop Metal tto make you feel better, remember? Once again, they tried to sound more 'mature' by doing power ballads and other things 'mature' bands do.

:laughing:

Naturally in 1987 I heard Appetite For Destruction & thought to myself
" Hmmm this is OK but in 17 years time a really average band will come along , maybe called Wolfmother and take away all it's impact".

Um...





Those are just some off the top of my head. A band using an orchestra doesn't make them original, nor do pianos or acoustic guitars. Guns and Roses were different than hair metal bands for some reasons, but the reasons you listed weren't them. Really the guitarist comment is only a valid one but I'm sure there were other hair metal bands with guys who could solo well.

Pop metal? What exactly is that? Pop refers to popular music. A band cannot choose to be pop. Tried to sound more mature? It wasn't looking for a mature sound, it was trying something different. Again, just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't any good.

Let me quote Suicidal here.

Ummm, Tesla is also not hair metal. Not sure what the first one was.

My point was not saying that those things made them original, the point was them trying different things. They were not generic.

It was Cinderella and using pianos and acoustic guitars isn't really trying different things since they were featured in most power ballads. I can list other hair metal songs that featured acoustic guitars, Every Rose has Its Thorn is pretty famous for it.

Yes, and every rose has its thorn strays from the standard glam sound as well. Poison is glam, Cinderella is also, but Guns N Roses and Tesla are not.

Let me say again that it was not those things by themselves that made them original.

That had nothing to with what I said.

How in the bloody fuck are Cinderella not Hair Metal? They were one of the most stereotypically hair metal bands around.

And no. Piano ballads is a staple of hair metal. Every hair metal band had one.

But I agree with you on one thing, Guns N Roses were pretty original, especially among their peers. They were heavier than any hair metal band, their music and image was less polished and less glam. And the UYI albums had them doing things that no other popular metal band was doing at the time. Even if you didn't like those albums, you still have to respect them for trying something different.

Crowquill and ProggyMan: If you don't even like this kind of music, Why do you come in here and bash on those that do? I have never once posted in the punk or hardcore/emo sections. Wanna know why? Cause I don't like that kind of music and all I would be able to contribute is that I think it sucks. I like rock and metal, sometimes a little rap or old country. If something sucks in my preferred genre, I'll give my opinion. I don't see the point in going around saying how much other peoples taste sucks. To each their own.

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I didn't come in here to bash Guns and Roses. Let me quote what I said and this was my entire point in coming in here "Guns and Roses were different than hair metal bands for some reasons, but the reasons you listed weren't them."

But I like Rock and Metal...

The reason, more than anything else, was their sound.

Well some hair metal bands did do the orchestral thing. But none of them did a song that was 9 minutes long, let alone a single. Its always a risk to release a single that long.

GnR did have pretty long songs...But I'd hardly call that going out on a limb stylistically.

Well I'm not saying they're like the Velvet Underground or something. Just that they were different from their peers.

And indeed. I get very annoyed when anyone ever calls Guns N Roses a typical hair metal band. Such people are deaf.

Def Leppard. I mean like "On Through the Night". Shortly after it came out. Its rather embarassing really.

On Through The Night was pretty good, I liked High and Dry better though.

So where is your post citing the first metal band you ever listened to? I'll admit that I haven't read every one of your posts, but I have yet to see something really constructive or positive about rock or metal. Please show me if they exist.

It was better. Sadly,(or not), it was the peak of their miserable career which, like many artists, they still haven't managed to put out of its misery. Not that anyone's paying attention anyway.

You have to look back pretty far. I'm a proghead, and well...I think you get the picture.

pantera- planet caravan.
my bro used it to help me sleep when my mom and dad went out of town and i couldn't stop crying cuz i missed my mommy.

If only some bands would go out on a high note, or at least give up instead of clutching a career that's gone.
On a side note, I was taking a speech class in college and my teacher mentioned that she was going to a Bon Jovi concert that night. I just busted out laughing. She wanted an explanation so I gave my opinion that they did not age like wine unless you want to count Mad Dog 20/20. Tastes like crap and gives you a headache. I got a C from that class and I think thats why.
Bon Jovi = typical hair metal shit

That is one of my all time favorites. Do you have the original version?

yeah. i downloaded it!

I really think that Pantera did it justice. Not many covers really hit me as being that good. The video could have been better.

I thought you said you didn't like prog anymore. Make up your damn mind.