New music. Does it exite like it did back in the day? (lyrics, jazz)

~~under~~ · 01-20-2008, 09:23 PM

any genre will be through any kind of distaste no matter what!

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Exactly. Some people are going to think rock music sucks, some people are going to think folk music sucks, some people are going to think jazz music sucks...so what? I don't see why fans of, say, country music, feel the need to hurl up their flags and march against subjectivity everytime somebody says that Johnny Cash sucks.

I like rise flat out insulted my taste but when I say I don't like Cynic and I think they're boring you're all "DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS!" I found the video boring, rise is the one getting all pissy and touchy and going on about how I don't understand technical prowess so I can only like music that is pleasant to my naive ears.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-21-2008, 10:24 AM

Duplicate post n00b ^

Again I am going to say what I said a long time ago. Every genre sounds good to the ears, you just have to find the good artists in that genre. All kinds of music listeners have this problem. From metalheads to indie rock idiots to hip-hop listeners.

What I can't understand is why people tend to listen to one genre and forget about the others while they are in the mood for one genre. For instance, we all love the lulz created by Crowquill's early days when he was a fan of metal. Well, Crowquill, why don't you like it anymore? Why can't you appreciate it?

riseagainstrocks · 01-21-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Folk is one of the oldest and most important genres ever. Dismissing it off is way different then dismissing a boring old metal band. No amount of bad analogies is going to change that.

How did I "insult the genre" (which I have yet to do)? I have never called folk anything negative. The only thing I insulted was a guy playing an acoustic guitar, which Ethan keeps telling me isn't folk, but then says I was calling all folk pathetic even though I was only saying the former was. Anyone catch the logical fallacy?

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

This isn't even worth replying to, it's the same arrogant bull**** over and over. You're not proving anything by making stabs at how someone posts you realize that right? You've said two incredibly stupid things so far: "Emotion isn't important in music." and the most recent one "You have to know how something sounds the way it does to really understand it." You're so arrogant and ignorant it's hilarious especially seeing as you're completely unaware how stupid you sound. You take such pride in being an "*******" guess what? You're the only one that thinks it makes you look cool. *awaits stabs at taste and whatever else kids with big internet ****s say*

Again, my words on Emotion in music are being heavily skewed by everyone taking offence to my views in this thread. It is nice to have a strawman to attack though isn't it?

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Emotion in music is a fine starting place, but with out real ability, it's worthless

That's what I said. Stop ****ing misquoting me to improve your own sad arguements. My overarching point was that emotion is only an idea and without away to communicate that idea (i.e MUSIC) it's not very sharable. And the more time and effort put into the music, the more mentally and emotionally challenging the idea can become. Keyword is can. Because you're right, there some are some intensely ****ty "technical" bands.

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Originally Posted by pheurton

The point is your blatant discretions towards folk music were all to do with one person finding one song boring hence my original reply was only showing how arrogant you actually are. I can't believe you fell for it hook line and sinker.

Oh noes! You caught me! Of course I'm going to get riled up over this. IT'S THE ****ING INTERNET. In real life, I highly doubt I'd care enough to even make a comment. But online, where I have time to formulate what I'd say, you're damn right I'll reply to you. And you say blatant discrestions like I'm, without thinking, writing off folk. Again, I have never said (typed for you lawyers) ANYTHING negative against folk in this thread (and I'm pretty sure no where else on this site), so you can drop the attacks on that.

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Originally Posted by pheurton

blah blah blah blah
Don't try and turn around your original statement, oh and you also forgot to quote this

Not trying to turn around anything. I merely forgot to put a not in there, which obviously changes the meaning quite immensely.

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

There's nothing in Cynic's entire catalogue that's compositionally superior to even the Tellytubbies theme tune. More complex/arty does not equate to superior. That's a fallacy if ever there was one. Neither does it equate to "more musical". More musical? That doesn't even mean anything. "Musicality" is not scalic, for heaven's sake. Sure, you can invent your own definition of what qualifies as musical or "more musical", or you can follow somebody else's, but it all means jack. It's a moot term. You're entitled to your viewpoint, but it's no more weighty than anybody else's.

To the first sentence, whatever.

To the rest of it, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again; I have yet to insult a genre of music and say that Cynic is better. I'm extolling thier virtues and took a few shots at Ethan's ever metamorphing tastes.

Unless someone brings something new to the table, I'm done with this thread. We're arguing in circles and no one has yet to actually make a point.

~~under~~ · 01-21-2008, 11:52 AM

your replies bore me...you've said Cynic over and over in every reply i think thats why people have been making it a huge argument.

riseagainstrocks · 01-21-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by awriterslastresort

your replies bore me...you've said Cynic over and over in every reply i think thats why people have been making it a huge argument.

Holy ****, you do win the retard of the board award. The arguement was about CYNIC. So naturally, I'd talk about CYNIC in the reply.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-21-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Holy ****, you do win the retard of the board award. The arguement was about CYNIC. So naturally, I'd talk about CYNIC in the reply.

lol. Going in sig.

~~under~~ · 01-21-2008, 11:56 AM

right. apparently i've overlooked this a little bit, because i was coming to edit my reply once i finished reading everyones replies.

sorry about that RAR. that was bad on my part...

pheurton · 01-23-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

Exactly why I said 'bland metal fusion' when I came across

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

lol. Keep telling yourself that some guy "singing his heart out" with an acoustic guitar is anything more than pathetic/fit for Starbucks

I'm in no wrong here.

riseagainstrocks · 01-23-2008, 01:42 PM

Wow, that's hilarious. Definitely not me, people who've been here long enough know what I look like.

Plus his says wizardofgore, mine is wizardovgore.

And I really don't know where you're going with this.

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riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,297	Wow, that's hilarious. Definitely not me, people who've been here long enough know what I look like. Plus his says wizardofgore, mine is wizardovgore. And I really don't know where you're going with this. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-20-2008, 09:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,051	any genre will be through any kind of distaste no matter what!

01-21-2008, 10:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	Duplicate post n00b ^ Again I am going to say what I said a long time ago. Every genre sounds good to the ears, you just have to find the good artists in that genre. All kinds of music listeners have this problem. From metalheads to indie rock idiots to hip-hop listeners. What I can't understand is why people tend to listen to one genre and forget about the others while they are in the mood for one genre. For instance, we all love the lulz created by Crowquill's early days when he was a fan of metal. Well, Crowquill, why don't you like it anymore? Why can't you appreciate it?

01-21-2008, 11:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,051	your replies bore me...you've said Cynic over and over in every reply i think thats why people have been making it a huge argument.

01-21-2008, 11:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,051	right. apparently i've overlooked this a little bit, because i was coming to edit my reply once i finished reading everyones replies. sorry about that RAR. that was bad on my part...