New music. Does it exite like it did back in the day? (country, hardcore)

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Adam goes on a rampage one night and kills two hundred people. In the next town over, on that very same night, Dan kills a single human. Now, considering that Adam's massacre was on a much larger scale, would it be correct to say that Dan did not commit homicide? Obviously it wouldn't be. Sure, one could go on about how much "worse" Adam is for what he did, but ultimately, they're both murderers.

I don't see what's so bad about a person not being interested in some guy singing over three chords played on an acoustic guitar. Sure, the lyrics may be heart-wrenching, but there are times when that type of thing, musically, just isn't enough to keep one interested. To say music is entirely about emotion is equally as ignorant as some stereotypical Yngwie Malmsteen fan saying that it's all about how many notes one can play per second. Different strokes for different folks, like.

Folk is one of the oldest and most important genres ever. Dismissing it off is way different then dismissing a boring old metal band. No amount of bad analogies is going to change that.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Where did I ever call folk bland and pathetic? If I remember correctly I was specifically talking about people with acoustic guitars. Aren't you the one who pointed out that that isn't folk?

People do not need a degree in order to discuss music. I don't have one. However, I feel that without a knowledge of the methods used to create said music, appreciation other than that initial connection to the beauty and power of a piece is impossible.

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

and thanks for thinking that a) I'm straightedge and b) I'm an *******. It means a lot. Granted I'd probably think you had more credibility if you didn't create threads titled "the ***est reply wins".

I'd also like to amend this: "and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm NOT talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one."

This isn't even worth replying to, it's the same arrogant bull**** over and over. You're not proving anything by making stabs at how someone posts you realize that right? You've said two incredibly stupid things so far: "Emotion isn't important in music." and the most recent one "You have to know how something sounds the way it does to really understand it." You're so arrogant and ignorant it's hilarious especially seeing as you're completely unaware how stupid you sound. You take such pride in being an "asshole" guess what? You're the only one that thinks it makes you look cool. *awaits stabs at taste and whatever else kids with big internet dicks say*

~~under~~ · 01-20-2008, 10:23 PM

any genre will be through any kind of distaste no matter what!

sleepy jack · 01-20-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Exactly. Some people are going to think rock music sucks, some people are going to think folk music sucks, some people are going to think jazz music sucks...so what? I don't see why fans of, say, country music, feel the need to hurl up their flags and march against subjectivity everytime somebody says that Johnny Cash sucks.

I like rise flat out insulted my taste but when I say I don't like Cynic and I think they're boring you're all "DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS!" I found the video boring, rise is the one getting all pissy and touchy and going on about how I don't understand technical prowess so I can only like music that is pleasant to my naive ears.

pheurton · 01-21-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I realize that liking or disliking a certain band is entirely subjective. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you dislike something I do (in this specific case, Cynic), I won't be offended or angry. However when the reason you give is something as trite as "their bland metal fusion". Then I take issue.

The point is your blatant discretions towards folk music were all to do with one person finding one song boring hence my original reply was only showing how arrogant you actually are. I can't believe you fell for it hook line and sinker.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

thanks for thinking that a) I'm straightedge and b) I'm an *******. It means a lot. Granted I'd probably think you had more credibility if you didn't create threads titled "the ***est reply wins".

I wasn't thinking.
Plus threads like that are only for mild fun.

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

I'd also like to amend this: "and just to clarify, when I use the term technical, I'm NOT talking about mile a minute sweeps. That Cynic video is a prime example. Odd chord shapes coupled with counterpoint vocal melody create a layered effect that appeals to me in the pure aesthetic sense as well as the mathematical one."

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Don't try and turn around your original statement, oh and you also forgot to quote this

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-21-2008, 11:24 AM

Duplicate post n00b ^

Again I am going to say what I said a long time ago. Every genre sounds good to the ears, you just have to find the good artists in that genre. All kinds of music listeners have this problem. From metalheads to indie rock idiots to hip-hop listeners.

What I can't understand is why people tend to listen to one genre and forget about the others while they are in the mood for one genre. For instance, we all love the lulz created by Crowquill's early days when he was a fan of metal. Well, Crowquill, why don't you like it anymore? Why can't you appreciate it?

ProggyMan · 01-21-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by awriterslastresort

notes can be emotional. you can play notes very slowly and melodically to make it seem like its very sad.

you can play notes very fast and hardcore to make it seem like its anger.

a lot of the emotion in music not only comes from the vocals but the instruments.

onerepublic for example. for the song apologize, the starting instruments brought me into the song and with the vocals after, i began to feel more of the emotion in the song.

By simplistic level I meant that by saying notes I meant all technical aspects of music. How fast you play is a technical aspect. Anyone can make a song sound emotional in a particular way if they anything about music theory. As OneRepublic's producer apparently does.

Rainard Jalen · 01-21-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

How am I trying to be cool? I'm pointing out that you simply don't have to background to discuss things on this level. You can find Cynic boring if you want. I really don't understand how.

Um... because people have different tastes? Because one person will relate/engage more with one type of sound than another? Because it's all subjective at the end of the day?

There's nothing in Cynic's entire catalogue that's compositionally superior to even the Tellytubbies theme tune. More complex/arty does not equate to superior. That's a fallacy if ever there was one. Neither does it equate to "more musical". More musical? That doesn't even mean anything. "Musicality" is not scalic, for heaven's sake. Sure, you can invent your own definition of what qualifies as musical or "more musical", or you can follow somebody else's, but it all means jack. It's a moot term. You're entitled to your viewpoint, but it's no more weighty than anybody else's.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-21-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Um... because people have different tastes? Because one person will relate/engage more with one type of sound than another? Because it's all subjective at the end of the day?

There's nothing in Cynic's entire catalogue that's compositionally superior to even the Tellytubbies theme tune. More complex/arty does not equate to superior. That's a fallacy if ever there was one. Neither does it equate to "more musical". More musical? That doesn't even mean anything. "Musicality" is not scalic, for heaven's sake. Sure, you can invent your own definition of what qualifies as musical or "more musical", or you can follow somebody else's, but it all means jack. It's a moot term. You're entitled to your viewpoint, but it's no more weighty than anybody else's.

Why is taste the way you grade music? I mean, hell, tell me who Cynic ripped off to be unoriginal because I can't find it. Since music is an art I am going to grade it in an artsy way because that is obviously how you grade art, is it not? I mean I am not against taste at all and taste is a gift because without it we would not "get into" certain genres, but you cross the line when you say music is bad because you don't like to listen to it at the time. See, what if you were to like Cynic later in your life. I mean you would love them, but because of what you said earlier in your life you cannot say they are good. See the problem with grading by taste? It changes by the mood. Now if you look at the originality of a band, then you will be able to appreciate music much more.

riseagainstrocks · 01-21-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Folk is one of the oldest and most important genres ever. Dismissing it off is way different then dismissing a boring old metal band. No amount of bad analogies is going to change that.

How did I "insult the genre" (which I have yet to do)? I have never called folk anything negative. The only thing I insulted was a guy playing an acoustic guitar, which Ethan keeps telling me isn't folk, but then says I was calling all folk pathetic even though I was only saying the former was. Anyone catch the logical fallacy?

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

This isn't even worth replying to, it's the same arrogant bull**** over and over. You're not proving anything by making stabs at how someone posts you realize that right? You've said two incredibly stupid things so far: "Emotion isn't important in music." and the most recent one "You have to know how something sounds the way it does to really understand it." You're so arrogant and ignorant it's hilarious especially seeing as you're completely unaware how stupid you sound. You take such pride in being an "*******" guess what? You're the only one that thinks it makes you look cool. *awaits stabs at taste and whatever else kids with big internet ****s say*

Again, my words on Emotion in music are being heavily skewed by everyone taking offence to my views in this thread. It is nice to have a strawman to attack though isn't it?

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Emotion in music is a fine starting place, but with out real ability, it's worthless

That's what I said. Stop ****ing misquoting me to improve your own sad arguements. My overarching point was that emotion is only an idea and without away to communicate that idea (i.e MUSIC) it's not very sharable. And the more time and effort put into the music, the more mentally and emotionally challenging the idea can become. Keyword is can. Because you're right, there some are some intensely ****ty "technical" bands.

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Originally Posted by pheurton

The point is your blatant discretions towards folk music were all to do with one person finding one song boring hence my original reply was only showing how arrogant you actually are. I can't believe you fell for it hook line and sinker.

Oh noes! You caught me! Of course I'm going to get riled up over this. IT'S THE ****ING INTERNET. In real life, I highly doubt I'd care enough to even make a comment. But online, where I have time to formulate what I'd say, you're damn right I'll reply to you. And you say blatant discrestions like I'm, without thinking, writing off folk. Again, I have never said (typed for you lawyers) ANYTHING negative against folk in this thread (and I'm pretty sure no where else on this site), so you can drop the attacks on that.

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Originally Posted by pheurton

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Don't try and turn around your original statement, oh and you also forgot to quote this

Not trying to turn around anything. I merely forgot to put a not in there, which obviously changes the meaning quite immensely.

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

There's nothing in Cynic's entire catalogue that's compositionally superior to even the Tellytubbies theme tune. More complex/arty does not equate to superior. That's a fallacy if ever there was one. Neither does it equate to "more musical". More musical? That doesn't even mean anything. "Musicality" is not scalic, for heaven's sake. Sure, you can invent your own definition of what qualifies as musical or "more musical", or you can follow somebody else's, but it all means jack. It's a moot term. You're entitled to your viewpoint, but it's no more weighty than anybody else's.

To the first sentence, whatever.

To the rest of it, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again; I have yet to insult a genre of music and say that Cynic is better. I'm extolling thier virtues and took a few shots at Ethan's ever metamorphing tastes.

Unless someone brings something new to the table, I'm done with this thread. We're arguing in circles and no one has yet to actually make a point.

~~under~~ · 01-21-2008, 12:52 PM

your replies bore me...you've said Cynic over and over in every reply i think thats why people have been making it a huge argument.

01-20-2008, 10:23 PM	#72 (permalink)
~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,056	any genre will be through any kind of distaste no matter what!

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Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	Duplicate post n00b ^ Again I am going to say what I said a long time ago. Every genre sounds good to the ears, you just have to find the good artists in that genre. All kinds of music listeners have this problem. From metalheads to indie rock idiots to hip-hop listeners. What I can't understand is why people tend to listen to one genre and forget about the others while they are in the mood for one genre. For instance, we all love the lulz created by Crowquill's early days when he was a fan of metal. Well, Crowquill, why don't you like it anymore? Why can't you appreciate it?

01-21-2008, 12:52 PM	#80 (permalink)
~~under~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,056	your replies bore me...you've said Cynic over and over in every reply i think thats why people have been making it a huge argument.