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Old 01-10-2008, 03:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a coincidence that the decline happened totally in parallel to the emergence of the big 4 labels.

In the 60s & 70s it was more of a level playing field. There were no such thing as indie labels because there was no monopoly to be independent from. There were literally hundreds of labels looking to have hit singles & albums. As time went on monopolies were formed labels got bigger & started buying out smaller ones , taking over radio playlists with MTV speeding up the process until we get to how things are now with 4 huge companies dominating virtually everything & loads of small labels who can't even get a sniff in.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a coincidence that the decline happened totally in parallel to the emergence of the big 4 labels.

In the 60s & 70s it was more of a level playing field. There were no such thing as indie labels because there was no monopoly to be independent from. There were literally hundreds of labels looking to have hit singles & albums. As time went on monopolies were formed labels got bigger & started buying out smaller ones , taking over radio playlists with MTV speeding up the process until we get to how things are now with 4 huge companies dominating virtually everything & loads of small labels who can't even get a sniff in.
Yeah, good point. I suppose that would seem to be the most viable explanation. With music increasingly becoming an industry and a massive commercial enterprise, the labels, rather than artists, began to dictate what music ought to sound like. So then, I guess it became more about finding winning formulas and sticking with them than creating something new and interesting, progression, development and experimentation.

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Um, if you're not interested in the discussion, why are you coming in? If you are picking at that wording in particular, then the point was simply that bands of real substance and innovation, with a vision of their own, were hugely successful on a commercial level. But they tend not to be today. Forget about the "critically recognized" part, it was just to illustrate the point in fewer words.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah this is true, but it's not the essence of what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that really GOOD bands of old (Beatles, The Who etc.) still recognized as being great today, were hugely popular in the mainstream back then. Today, very few bands that people on these forums for example would consider good are particularly big in terms of MASS popularity. For the most part, only the bands that we insist are garbage have truly huge commercial success. And THAT is a marked difference in the times. Hell, check it out, Nickelback's last album sold like 7 million. No band that dedicated music fans consider good (except maybe for the Chili's? 'cos a lot of people here seem to adore them) can rival that.
I think the access people have to mainstream music has increased tenfold in the last 20 years and the big companies (as Urban states) have a monopoly on these things therefore crap will sell more. on the other hand the access to non mainstream has increased significantly too, so those of us looking for something different can find it easier and lament the fact that the majors arent picking it up. I understand your point and I agree with a lot of it. Perhaps I should rephrase my general replies and say that I'm not remotely interested if the mainstream sucks because I don't like it anyhow!
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I think the access people have to mainstream music has increased tenfold in the last 20 years and the big companies (as Urban states) have a monopoly on these things therefore crap will sell more. on the other hand the access to non mainstream has increased significantly too, so those of us looking for something different can find it easier and lament the fact that the majors arent picking it up. I understand your point and I agree with a lot of it. Perhaps I should rephrase my general replies and say that I'm not remotely interested if the mainstream sucks because I don't like it anyhow!
Big question on my mind is, in this internet age of information where, as you say, better music has much more potential for an audience and has easier access, why is it that people are still nonetheless content with settling for garbage and having such low standards? I mean, I'm even talking about those who describe themselves as serious rock fans, not just casual listeners.
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Yeah i must admit it puzzling. I think laziness has impacted so many people in all aspects of their life these days. I certainly think that people are less open to be different these days than in the past. In Britain todays youth is mainly indistinguishable from one another. I suppose it is easier to follow the crowd for some instead of being in the front of a brand new one.
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Mainstream is by definition mindless, and catchy.
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Mainstream is by definition mindless, and catchy.
Catchy? not a term that encompasses all mainstream rock.
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Catchy? not a term that encompasses all mainstream rock.
And mindless, not a term that has always encompassed all mainstream music.
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Sorry, let me rephrase: "Mainstream is generally mindless, simple music with catchy lyrics."

Edit* I'm talking uber mainstream here. (think britney, Rihanna etc.)
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