Soulfire77

The point: If the #1 selling metal album is from fictional, animated characters from Cartoon Network - and they actually have so-called metal fans calling their songs "great" (that's where you came in) - then that leads me to believe that something is seriously WRONG with the genre.

To further illustrate the point lets look at history, shall we?

Hottest metal albums by year:

1980 Ace of Spades - Motorhead
1981 Diary of a Madman - Ozzy Osbourne
1982 Number of the Beast - Iron Maiden
1983 Holy Diver - Dio
1984 Ride the Lightning - Metallica
1985 Bonded By Blood - Exodus
1986 Master of Puppets - Metallica
1987 Among The Living - Anthrax
1988 ...And Justice For All - Metallica
1989 Beneath The Remains - Sepultura
1990 Seasons in the Abyss - Slayer
1991 self-titled - Metallica
1992 Vulgar Display of Power - Pantera
1993 Undertow - Tool
1994 Far Beyond Driven - Pantera
1995 Astro-Creep: 2000 - White Zombie
1996 Aenima - Tool
1997 The More Things Change... - Machine Head
1998 Follow The Leader - Korn
1999 The Gathering - Testament
2000 Clayman - In Flames
2001 Iowa - Slipknot
2002 The Art of Balance - Shadows Fall
2003 The Impossibility Of Reason - Chimaira
2004 Leviathan - Mastodon

(Dimebag Darrell dies Dec. 8, 2004)

2005 Ghost Reveries - Opeth
2006 Inhuman Rampage - Dragonforce
2007 The Dethalbum - Dethklok

... and, yes, I know people will bitch about Korn/Slipknot/Tool not being "real metal". Spare me.

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Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01

Ok, after seeing those two, I'm wasting my time even more than I was before arguing with you.

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Soulfire77

Yeah, yeah, I know... Korn sucks, Slipknot sucks, cartoons rule.... I didn't say I liked everything on the list (that's why I said "spare me").

The "Black Album" by Metallica was a sell-out piece of ****, in my opinion, as well. Prong made better music with three members than Slipknot does with nine and Korn's non-stop whining is annoying. Yet, Metallica is the original definitive metal band, Slipknot is the "Kiss" of their generation - i.e. your little brother digs the gimmick at first but winds up listening to Reign In Blood in the end (it's newb metal, in other words), Korn... well, all I can say about them is: The Korn/Zombie tour was one of the best ****ing shows I ever saw... But, that was mostly because of Zombie. Also, having lost my little brother to cancer at 15, I always admired the song "Justin" and the story behind it.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

It was better than the badly produced boring heap of shit they put out before it.

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SATCHMO

Am I the only man on this planet who loves "...And Justice For All"?

TheBig3

No, actually thats the one album the fans usually love. Its not my favorite but its got its strong points.

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Soulfire77

I, for one (no pun intended), think "Harvester of Sorrow" was just about the best metal song of the 80's. There seem to be two classes of metal fans: "Master of Puppets" people (which is a lot of them) and "...and Justice For All" people (which always seem to be the people who actually know what they are talking about - ).

Of course, this is excluding that third class - to whom you ask: "What's your favorite Metallica album?" and they answer "The Black Album". Those are the Kid Rock / Linkin Park types that need not even enter this discussion.

I think people chose "Master" over "Justice" because of Cliff Burton, but I think Cliff's death caused Metallica to make their best album... You can hear the anger and the anguish in the sound... It's absolutely where they peaked, and not before.

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15Steps

DRAGONFORCE? XD

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riseagainstrocks

The fact that "****ty" metal albums have been topping the charts should not be heralded as an indicator for the genre. 2007 was a great year for DM and '08 should be awesome for all styles.

Also, keep in mind that the people who go out and buy these CD's are the ones who pay to go to Ozzfest. Their opinion = nothing substantial.

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