Tool vs Nickelback (lyrics, metal, pop, rock, ballad)

sleepy jack · 01-03-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

And taking Nickelback's catalogue as a whole, I see them as more of a gumbo of late 70s/early 80s romantic pop metal, Christian disco and Canadian acid-folk than Post-Grunge.

Okay I normally try and stay away from saying this but are you a fucking idiot? Acid folk? You realize acid folk is like Vashti Bunyan and Linda Perhacs right? Nickelback has no hint of even having heard those artists whatsoever and christian disco? I hope you're just taking the piss because there is so many things wrong with that statement it's ridiculous.

Rainard Jalen · 01-03-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I find your logic disturbing. Because a band tries to sell records they're commercial? Red-era KC tried to sell records by installing a pop vocalist, but that doesn't make them commerical.

Um... rrright. So like, what does "commerce" mean in your world?

If you form something in a certain way with the aim and intention to make it more marketable to the public, that is called commercialization. Whether you like it or not, any band who make amends to their MUSIC and musical direction simply to sell more is a commercial band.

ProggyMan · 01-03-2008, 07:09 PM

How does Tool change it's music to be more accesible exactly? You're being very vague and just saying how they target a specific group with their lyrics and music but you don't even define Tool's sound beyond 'modern rock' and just say what group they're supposed to be changing their music for! And I second Ethan's skepticism on the Christian Disco and Acid Folk parts of Nickelback's music.

Rainard Jalen · 01-03-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

How does Tool change it's music to be more accesible exactly? You're being very vague and just saying how they target a specific group with their lyrics and music but you don't even define Tool's sound beyond 'modern rock' and just say what group they're supposed to be changing their music for! And I second Ethan's skepticism on the Christian Disco and Acid Folk parts of Nickelback's music.

Further definitions of commercial:

Being a product marketed to the population on a mass scale.

We could make even more. Tool will nicely fit under one of them.

The more pertinent question is this: why is it that you find the idea of being "commercial" so very objectionable? Why does it offend you so much that Tool just might be a commercial band?

tkpb938 · 01-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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Okay I normally try and stay away from saying this but are you a ****ing idiot? Acid folk? You realize acid folk is like Vashti Bunyan and Linda Perhacs right? Nickelback has no hint of even having heard those artists whatsoever and christian disco? I hope you're just taking the piss because there is so many things wrong with that statement it's ridiculous.

I'm STILL not 100% sure, but I don't think he was serious.

YSHKMWYHTC · 01-04-2008, 08:09 AM

I'm shocked that this poll is serious.

Rainard Jalen · 01-04-2008, 08:34 AM

Alright, I've tried. I've tried my damned hardest. It was an honest , thorough, painstaking experiment, but as it turns out, finding any redeeming qualities in Nickelback is utterly impossible and I can't keep up trying. I've had those lyrics ("Kim... kissed... nervous... missed... since then... haven't seen her... God knows when") revolving round and round in my mind for days now and they're so abominably bad I think I'm going to be haunted by them for the rest of my music-listening days. Damn you, Nickelback. You self-righteous slugs of musical mediocrity. I give up.

As an ending note, I think we should all let the boys speak for themselves. The following is a very real quote from Mike Kroeger in response to bloggers who criticized Nickelback for the extreme similarity between two of their hits (advance warning: make sure there is plenty of padding on the floor beneath your chair, as a high risk of falling off it has been identified):

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"I think that's remarkable for someone to notice that there is a hit quality. If all hits sound the same, then sorry. When you are a band that has a distinct style such as us or AC/DC, that happens. When you have a distinct style, you run the risk of sounding similar."

No comment.

djchameleon · 01-04-2008, 11:02 AM

It seems like noone listens to Nickelback at all, they just hear their hit singles pounded into their head because of the radio and all the music television stations and they use that as ammo to say that all nickelback songs sound the same. my favorite Nickelback song has to be Animals. I love that song so much that whenever I'm playing a racing game I'll turn it on so it gets me pumped enough to make it through and win.

O'Bannion · 01-04-2008, 01:55 PM

Their older **** that came out in 2001-2002 isn't that bad, but man their new **** is absolutely terrible. Breathe isn't that bad, neither is Never Again or Leader of Men.

Im talking about Nickelback.

jackhammer · 01-04-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Alright, I've tried. I've tried my damned hardest. It was an honest , thorough, painstaking experiment, but as it turns out, finding any redeeming qualities in Nickelback is utterly impossible and I can't keep up trying. I've had those lyrics ("Kim... kissed... nervous... missed... since then... haven't seen her... God knows when") revolving round and round in my mind for days now and they're so abominably bad I think I'm going to be haunted by them for the rest of my music-listening days. Damn you, Nickelback. You self-righteous slugs of musical mediocrity. I give up.

As an ending note, I think we should all let the boys speak for themselves. The following is a very real quote from Mike Kroeger in response to bloggers who criticized Nickelback for the extreme similarity between two of their hits (advance warning: make sure there is plenty of padding on the floor beneath your chair, as a high risk of falling off it has been identified):

No comment.

So everyone has to and fro'd for you to turn around and say what the majority thought in the first place? Had you ever heard them in the first place or do you just like the wind up? Talk about an excersise in futility....

View Poll Results: Who is the best band
Nickelback	7	17.07%
Tool	34	82.93%
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01-04-2008, 08:09 AM	#66 (permalink)
YSHKMWYHTC Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 162	I'm shocked that this poll is serious. __________________ *You Should Have Killed Me When You Had The Chance*

01-04-2008, 01:55 PM	#69 (permalink)
O'Bannion Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: earth Posts: 211	Their older ** that came out in 2001-2002 isn't that bad, but man their new ** is absolutely terrible. Breathe isn't that bad, neither is Never Again or Leader of Men. Im talking about Nickelback. __________________ Think for yourself. Question Authority.

01-03-2008, 07:09 PM	#63 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	How does Tool change it's music to be more accesible exactly? You're being very vague and just saying how they target a specific group with their lyrics and music but you don't even define Tool's sound beyond 'modern rock' and just say what group they're supposed to be changing their music for! And I second Ethan's skepticism on the Christian Disco and Acid Folk parts of Nickelback's music.

01-04-2008, 11:02 AM	#68 (permalink)
djchameleon A.B.N. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY baby Posts: 11,451	It seems like noone listens to Nickelback at all, they just hear their hit singles pounded into their head because of the radio and all the music television stations and they use that as ammo to say that all nickelback songs sound the same. my favorite Nickelback song has to be Animals. I love that song so much that whenever I'm playing a racing game I'll turn it on so it gets me pumped enough to make it through and win.