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Inuzuka Skysword 12-21-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 424181)
I still don't understand all the hype over Dimebag. I remember before he died only Pantera fanboys hyped him now it seems like everyone is.

I feel the same way. What was so good about dimebag?

And as for Herman Li live. Well he messes up all the time during Through the Fire in the Flames. Also, as someone said earlier, all Dragonforce songs sound the same.

Strap me to the anchor 12-22-2007 01:03 AM

Dime is a martyr, just like kurt kobain.

They both were alright in their own light, but their death volleyed them to cult status. it is similar to how when someone dies that is just a regular person, everyone who never knew them tells stories of how great they were and how they will never be forgotten. tis bull****.

under 12-23-2007 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Strap me to the anchor (Post 424214)
Dime is a martyr, just like kurt kobain.

They both were alright in their own light, but their death volleyed them to cult status. it is similar to how when someone dies that is just a regular person, everyone who never knew them tells stories of how great they were and how they will never be forgotten. tis bull****.

i hear that a lot. like people say "this guy was such a legend but he died on stage" its kind of pointless for people to say that because you cant be proven right or wrong (with the exception of live feeds)
anyway...

Li is a great guitarist. he's one of my favorites only because he leaves me with a "ill never be able to do that" sort of vide. his chord progressions are amazing!

riseagainstrocks 12-29-2007 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by awriterslastresort (Post 424499)
i hear that a lot. like people say "this guy was such a legend but he died on stage" its kind of pointless for people to say that because you cant be proven right or wrong (with the exception of live feeds)
anyway...

Li is a great guitarist. he's one of my favorites only because he leaves me with a "ill never be able to do that" sort of vide. his chord progressions are amazing!

1. Among guitarists, Dimebag is highly regarded because of his flawless technique. He was an extremely skilled and versatile guitarist who decided to waste his talent playing in the horrible Pantera

2. Do you even know what a chord progression is? How the hell are minor key chord progressions amazing?

Guthrie Govan is still probably the best guitarist ever. Or John McLaughlin

TheCaster 12-29-2007 12:45 PM

Herman can play a bunch of random nonsense really fast.... and that makes him a better guitarist? what are you guys smoking?

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 426063)
Guthrie Govan is still probably the best guitarist ever. Or John McLaughlin

*cough*HENDRIX*cough*

Seltzer 12-29-2007 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks (Post 426063)
1. Among guitarists, Dimebag is highly regarded because of his flawless technique. He was an extremely skilled and versatile guitarist who decided to waste his talent playing in the horrible Pantera

2. Do you even know what a chord progression is? How the hell are minor key chord progressions amazing?

Guthrie Govan is still probably the best guitarist ever. Or John McLaughlin

I have an interesting relationship with Pantera and Dimebag since Pantera got me into metal but I don't much like them anymore.

Dimebag's solos are great, he has some good riffs, but he also has some really crap ones. I don't think Pantera's style is too great... for example, Walk. The 3 note riff is fairly average from the onset but nevertheless, used properly, it could be effective. However, Pantera repeats that one riff throughout the whole song and it becomes pretty boring.

It's mainly Pantera's groove style that pisses me off. After all, I think Phil Anselmo is actually a great vocalist (check out his stuff in Down), and the other two musicians weren't too shabby. It's just the style IMO.

So I'd agree that Dimebag was a good guitarist in a bad band.

YSHKMWYHTC 12-30-2007 08:08 PM

Pantera were great.
Damageplan however were not.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 12-31-2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Black.Faith. (Post 422534)
Who do you believe is the better guitarist?

I believe Herman Li because he plays faster than basically every guitarist alive, and he plays by far the hardest material. Van Halen is really good too, but he's just got too big of an ego. Sorry Van Halen marks.

There's more to playing guitar than just how fast you can play and how hard the music is. There's jacking off with your guitar, then there's playing magnificently with your guitar. Herman does the former.

I'm not going to vote because honestly I haven't heard enough Van Halen to make a fair decision. I will then return.

Music Resource 01-01-2008 05:24 AM

The two earliest tappers to the best of my recollection are Eddie Van Halen and Randy Rhoads. There is a big difference between tapping and hammer-ons or pull-offs. You can perform the last two with the fret hand.

Strap me to the anchor 01-03-2008 06:09 PM

dimebag's tone was aweful. also, a lot of the **** he played was out of key. some stuff is okay, but i really dont get what the fuss is about.

joyboyo53 01-03-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fal (Post 423583)
I have heard Li live, he wasn't that far out. Point remains it's still a pretty big claim that you're making with fuck all to back it up. You reckon Van Halens better, great but use an actual reason as opposed to concocting some bull**** you don't have evidence for.

My vote went for Li btw, primarily because I prefer the stuff he writes (irrelevant or whether or not he actually plays at that speed, or plays well in a gig). As for people waxing lyrical about how metal guitarists have all built on Van Halen, Einstein himself used the phrase "we get where we are by standing on the shoulders of giants" and nobody's debating how smart he is; people build off the progress of others. It's how the world works. Doesn't make them any less worthy of individual recognition

point discredited to the fact that you are just merging bull**** together. isaac newton was the one who said 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.'

sleepy jack 01-03-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jgd85 (Post 427812)
point discredited to the fact that you are just merging bull**** together. isaac newton was the one who said 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.'

That really doesn't discredit his point in anyway. Swap Newton's name for Einstein and his point still stands strong and doesn't change at all.

riseagainstrocks 01-04-2008 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Strap me to the anchor (Post 427759)
dimebag's tone was aweful. also, a lot of the **** he played was out of key. some stuff is okay, but i really dont get what the fuss is about.

I can tell from your posts on this board that you know jack **** about theory. Stop trying to discredit an amazing musician.

TheCaster 01-18-2008 07:54 AM

Frank zappa tapped..

JoeyD 01-18-2008 10:05 AM

They are both pretty amazing, but if I had to choose one, I would choose EVH. I don't think anybody will be able to replicate even CLOSE to anything that he has ever done.

ItalianStallion 01-18-2008 10:47 AM

For skill, I definatley vote Li. He is easily a better guitarist, but if we were voting on who could come up with a catchier tune, who was contributed more to music, or who we simply like better EVH wins by a landslide. Sorry dragonforce fans, all thier songs sound the same, all the solos are speed driven messes, and who can say taht EVH's ego is bigger than Li's?!? The man should switch bodies with the governator jsut so his ego can fit...

riseagainstrocks 01-18-2008 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ItalianStallion (Post 432504)
For skill, I definatley vote Li. He is easily a better guitarist, but if we were voting on who could come up with a catchier tune, who was contributed more to music, or who we simply like better EVH wins by a landslide. Sorry dragonforce fans, all thier songs sound the same, all the solos are speed driven messes, and who can say taht EVH's ego is bigger than Li's?!? The man should switch bodies with the governator jsut so his ego can fit...

No, Li does not have more skill. This isn't a subjective topic either. If you listen to what both men have written and played EVH is by FAR the more versatile and skilled guitarist. DragonForce is simple musical phrases played really fast (and it's up for debate if they can accurately recreate it live too). I even like some DragonForce from time to time, but besides the speed and some hilarious lyrics, they bring nothing new to music.

Lizzie 01-18-2008 06:30 PM

Van halen was just in Vancouver and lots of my friends saw them, said Eddy was absolutly amazing...

Nosmada 01-19-2008 10:42 AM

EVH wins for sure, great playing and dragonforce was awful.


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