How many genres? (singer, alternative, hardcore, indie, metal)

Music Man · 08-15-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Categories and genres are important. When you have a solid classification system, you can get a clear understanding of what kind of music you like and what kind of bands to look for. But nowadays its gotten a little out of hand, with a bunch of kids thinking that it's necessary to come up with a new genre for every band in existence. Hence the 12 billion metal sub-genres there are now.

I'm pretty much in agreement with you here. A certain number of genres and key sub-genres are important, but they've definitely gone overboard with it the last several years.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-15-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sound Devastation

DoomSquirrel
Fungoid Stream

jackhammer · 08-15-2007, 04:15 PM

I understand that we have to give broad genre descriptions, that's a given. I just don't understand how many more genres are popping along every week. One of the latest I have heard is BATTLE METAL-for god's sake where does this crap come from? DRAGONFORCE are an exponent, and all they are doing is speeding up bands like HELLOWEEN, it's not original at all, so why the genre tag.

I can agree with Sound Devastation with the emergence of Post Rock. It is a new sound and can merit a genre tag, but some tags are just ridiculous, and a lot of bands don't sound any different to bands 20 years ago.

I may come across as an old git, and seem like I'm behind with the times, but I have not seen enough GENUINE new styles of metal to warrant these genre tags.

Once again; I am NOT dissing certain bands because I don't like metal,far from it. I am merely pointing out that the genre is cyclical, and we were arguing about genre tags years ago and creating confusion for the uninitiated.

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 04:46 PM

It doesnt always have to be a 'new sound' though. Its possible for a genre (like doom metal) to get so varied and so diverse that it splits. Even in funeral doom there will be differences.. and as the number of bands increases the differences will widen.

jackhammer · 08-15-2007, 05:09 PM

Doom metal varies? Ok so how is this so? Again; i'm not picking holes, I genuinely would like to know. Faster,slower, heavy, light-these things are variations on the same scene. Is classical music showing influence. Are these bands warranting new tags bringing anything genuinely new to the genre?

~~The Unfan~~ · 08-15-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Doom metal varies?

If you can't hear the huge differences between Black Sabbath and How Like A Winter than chances are you're deaf.

Sound Devastation · 08-15-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Doom metal varies? Ok so how is this so? Again; i'm not picking holes, I genuinely would like to know. Faster,slower, heavy, light-these things are variations on the same scene. Is classical music showing influence. Are these bands warranting new tags bringing anything genuinely new to the genre?

It can vary in pretty much any way! Classical music is influencing some bands (listen to Kayo Dot).

obviously not every new doom band brings something new, but some do, and 'some' are enough to cause a shift towards that sound which breaks away from the main genre.

jackhammer · 08-15-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan

If you can't hear the huge differences between Black Sabbath and How Like A Winter than chances are you're deaf.

I rest my case....

Black Sabbath are a heavy blues rock band.. that's it, in fact virtually all their 80's output was plain metal with no doom in site. Add something constructive and read the whole of my post before replying. I am NOT saying Doom Metal does'nt vary, I was looking for examples.

Muzak · 08-15-2007, 05:44 PM

If you need doom metal examples, how about this.

Zaraza
http://www.archive.org/download/Zara...kazany_vbr.mp3

Candlemass
YouTube - Candlemass - Bewitched

jackhammer · 08-15-2007, 06:01 PM

No not Candlemass ARRGGHH! Seen them Live way back in 89 supporting NUCLEAR ASSAULT and I have always hated their image and operatic vocal schizz. Have they changed? I will take a look. Thanks.

08-15-2007, 04:15 PM	#23 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I understand that we have to give broad genre descriptions, that's a given. I just don't understand how many more genres are popping along every week. One of the latest I have heard is BATTLE METAL-for god's sake where does this crap come from? DRAGONFORCE are an exponent, and all they are doing is speeding up bands like HELLOWEEN, it's not original at all, so why the genre tag. I can agree with Sound Devastation with the emergence of Post Rock. It is a new sound and can merit a genre tag, but some tags are just ridiculous, and a lot of bands don't sound any different to bands 20 years ago. I may come across as an old git, and seem like I'm behind with the times, but I have not seen enough GENUINE new styles of metal to warrant these genre tags. Once again; I am NOT dissing certain bands because I don't like metal,far from it. I am merely pointing out that the genre is cyclical, and we were arguing about genre tags years ago and creating confusion for the uninitiated. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-15-2007, 04:46 PM	#24 (permalink)
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08-15-2007, 05:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Doom metal varies? Ok so how is this so? Again; i'm not picking holes, I genuinely would like to know. Faster,slower, heavy, light-these things are variations on the same scene. Is classical music showing influence. Are these bands warranting new tags bringing anything genuinely new to the genre? __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-15-2007, 06:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	No not Candlemass ARRGGHH! Seen them Live way back in 89 supporting NUCLEAR ASSAULT and I have always hated their image and operatic vocal schizz. Have they changed? I will take a look. Thanks. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-15-2007, 05:44 PM	#29 (permalink)
Muzak Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,050	If you need doom metal examples, how about this. Zaraza http://www.archive.org/download/Zara...kazany_vbr.mp3 Candlemass YouTube - Candlemass - Bewitched