I'm pretty much in agreement with you here. A certain number of genres and key sub-genres are important, but they've definitely gone overboard with it the last several years.

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I understand that we have to give broad genre descriptions, that's a given. I just don't understand how many more genres are popping along every week. One of the latest I have heard is BATTLE METAL-for god's sake where does this crap come from? DRAGONFORCE are an exponent, and all they are doing is speeding up bands like HELLOWEEN, it's not original at all, so why the genre tag.

I can agree with Sound Devastation with the emergence of Post Rock. It is a new sound and can merit a genre tag, but some tags are just ridiculous, and a lot of bands don't sound any different to bands 20 years ago.

I may come across as an old git, and seem like I'm behind with the times, but I have not seen enough GENUINE new styles of metal to warrant these genre tags.

Once again; I am NOT dissing certain bands because I don't like metal,far from it. I am merely pointing out that the genre is cyclical, and we were arguing about genre tags years ago and creating confusion for the uninitiated.

It doesnt always have to be a 'new sound' though. Its possible for a genre (like doom metal) to get so varied and so diverse that it splits. Even in funeral doom there will be differences.. and as the number of bands increases the differences will widen.

Doom metal varies? Ok so how is this so? Again; i'm not picking holes, I genuinely would like to know. Faster,slower, heavy, light-these things are variations on the same scene. Is classical music showing influence. Are these bands warranting new tags bringing anything genuinely new to the genre?

If you can't hear the huge differences between Black Sabbath and How Like A Winter than chances are you're deaf.

It can vary in pretty much any way! Classical music is influencing some bands (listen to Kayo Dot).

obviously not every new doom band brings something new, but some do, and 'some' are enough to cause a shift towards that sound which breaks away from the main genre.

I rest my case....

Black Sabbath are a heavy blues rock band.. that's it, in fact virtually all their 80's output was plain metal with no doom in site. Add something constructive and read the whole of my post before replying. I am NOT saying Doom Metal does'nt vary, I was looking for examples.

If you need doom metal examples, how about this.

Zaraza
http://www.archive.org/download/Zara...kazany_vbr.mp3

Candlemass
YouTube - Candlemass - Bewitched

No not Candlemass ARRGGHH! Seen them Live way back in 89 supporting NUCLEAR ASSAULT and I have always hated their image and operatic vocal schizz. Have they changed? I will take a look. Thanks.