Heavy Metal Causes Violence
 

How do you feel about these statements in relation to heavy metal and hard rock?

In Vancouver, during a 30 minute Beatles performance, 100 people were stomped upon, gouged and assaulted. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart)

In Melbourne, nearly 1000 were injured at a rock concert. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart) “Our music is capable of causing emotional instability, disorganized behavior, rebellion and even revolution.” (Beatles, 1960)

Here is what a person who attended a rock concert said, “After an hour or so, even I felt drugged. But 20,000 people, most of them high on marijuana, if nothing stronger, were rocking the whole building, swaying, standing on their seats, arms around each other…the crowd seemed hypnotized in thrall. It was part of a mass frenzy.” (Readers Digest, July 1973, pg 173)

A popular rock singer said this about their music. “Rock’n roll has always been sexual. Rock’n roll has always been violent. It has teeth. It will scratch your face off. That’s why I like it…..if you like having your brains blown out and pushed up against a wall, then its for you.” (Entertainment Tonight, January 9, 1982)

In Rock From the Beginning, a 1969 book by Nik Cohn, Mick Jagger, lead singer for the Rolling Stones, described the heavy emphasis on rhythm in his group’s music, saying, “It was nothing but beat, smashed and crunched and hammered like some amazing stampede. The words were lost and the song was lost. You were only left with the chaos, beautiful anarchy. You drowned in noise. The sound destroyed you, raped you regardless, and you had no defense left.”

the Beatles and the Rolling Stones heavy metal lol.

Anyway, rock music still doesn't have shit on the holocaust, crusades, or the KKK.

Link a source or I call bull****.

I'd also like to know who said this, all I could find on it was it was said by a member of a group that has been called "America’s foremost sex-and-violence band", I couldn't find out who they were though. Which says alot

Can't provide a link because it was from a book. But the point of the post was not to question the sources, it was to generate discussion on whether or not you believe this to be true.

Violent people cause violence and people are naturally violent, given the right circumstances.

Fuck all to do with heavy metal.

If this is true then why are the most violent people i've ever met chavs who listen to drum & bass?

Heavy Metal doesn't cause violence. It causes suicide. RAP causes violence. :crazy:



It's just as bland a statement as the whole "Video Games being the cause of violence" argument. People have free will. These things may influence them in some way, but in the end, they make the choice to do what right or wrong.

So instead of dealing with the "reasons" for violence, deal with the people that commit it.

this relates to a quote from high fidelity in a way "did i listen to pop music because i was miserable, or was i miserable because i listened to pop music". what came first the chicken or the egg? is it the people who find that music appealing that are the problem, or the music turns people into violent people.

anyways from what your post said it has nothing to do with hard rock. moreso you wanted to talk about people getting hurt at concerts. you should have mentioned when pearl jam performed at that festival in the 90s and a couple people were killed from the crowd being out of control/mobbing. when i saw rage at coachella i was with my girlfriend so i couldn't get to close (didn't want her to get hurt) but we saw some people come from the way up front that where completely ****ed up, blood was covering their faces and backs... kind of disturbing honestly.

This is an awesome video of Frank Zappas guest appearance on Crossfire in 86, debating music censorship. I think it's relevant. Enjoy.

Youtube - Frank Zappa on Crossfire

EDIT: Take note of the conservative douchebag blaming rock music for incest.

haha this is great boo boo

"how much money do you make peddling this crap mr.zappa?

millions of dollars mr, novak, millions!"

violent films, tv shows, and music undoubtedly have an impact on violence in the real world. These things desensitize people from a young age and devalue human life. Therefore, children grow up not recognizing the extreme that taking someones one life or hurting them badly is. They don't realize that it has a real world effect. Well, it isn't that they dont realize it, its just that the effect that it has is not shocking anymore. We've become accustomed to hearing about murder and abuse so we don't think twice about it. This most likely explains why Voice_of_the_Soul121301 thinks that the torture of children en masse is natural. And that thier brutal deaths are inevitable, and justifiable as long as it benefits him.

maybe it seems like i was taking a cheap shot here, but i type my entire reply to this thread and realized how relevant that is. I see Voice of the Soul opine about nothing other than violent death/black/whatever-the f*ck you want to call it metal music, and find that his personal philosophies are almost certainly derived from this crap. Devaluing of human life, voice is a good example I think.

But, it is art and it shouldn't be censored.

Levi posted that awhile ago, it was great. What you wanna spank me here? Frank Zappa<3333

this stuff* mr lofton*

You oughta get out more.

Lofton=Idiot.

Yeah, he mispronounced "Mothers of Invention" as "Mothers of the Invention". What a n00b.

If anyone gets trampled in a concert, it is most likely caused by an international band being offered a crappy shabby small venue when they deserve better.

Music doesn't hurt people, I do.

Firstly, I didn't start listening to music until about 8th grade. and even then, it was all dumbed-down ****. The most metal-y thing I was listening to was Disturbed, and no way does Disturbed instigate violence.

Secondly, I don't derive my philosophies on life from music, metal or otherwise. I THINK; You're alone alot like me, and you think.

Y'know, I'm actually getting sick of arguing with either you or that Crow-dude who I guess is Ethan on this board (saw the name in some places). All it is is just spam. So I'll just leave it with this; Video Games, Television, and any other form of media, as far as children are concerned, I will admit do have an influence, but in this case they are still not to blame. Kids have little knowledge of free will at this time, and they rely so much on their parents. So if their parents let their kids watch violent movies or play violent games or listen to the violent metal music of today, and those kids turn into another Otaku killer or another Virginia Tech massacrer, it's their fault.

Haha awesome saying, I'm going to remember that one.

I think metal does cause violence.

I bought Morbid Angels Blessed Are The Sick album a few years ago & after hearing it wanted to stamp on the CD & punch the face of the twat that recommended I waste £8 on that crap.

ha ^

Just watching metalheads headbanging to an earscreeching guitar wankfest has the same effect on me.

I was first exposed to violent horror films before I was ten. I was'nt encouraged to watch them, alternatively I was'nt banned from seeing them either. I was reading horror novels in my teens, as well as experiencing Metal music (the 80's). I can honestly say that media does NOT CAUSE violence. is it a contributing factor-of course. The human mind is not immune to violence, but if you are taught about cause and effect as you are growing up, then it put's everything into context. My kids are taught right and wrong and show that attitude towards others. Good parenting is essential.

I'm a huge film fan, and the argument of whether films cause violence comes up many more times, and it saddens me when media related sources are used as scapegoats for society's ills.

Of course there are exceptions, and some people are directly affected by the media they experience, but I would argue that there is some underlying mental problem in the first place.

Now where's my f[u]cking axe?

There's no way in hell it causes violence (in sane people, at least).

I'd still like to know who the hell this band is.

omg I know lulz,,, metal is just screeming and fast guitars and drummer hitting the drums as fast as he can.- peeple shud stop worshpping satan.


Wow, I wish people were open minded on this forum but it just doesn't ever improve. From the Canadian musicians thread, it's clear to me that most people here are completely incapable of judging objectively as well.

Personnaly I try to visit other music forums on this site and aggitate the listeners of that music genre. Wait.... no I don't

It's Johny Cash der

I'm very open minded when it comes to music.
And I have no problem judging music genres objectively.

It's just the arseholes that attach themselves to one, with ridiculous displays of idiocy.

ie; headbanging/arm and leg flailing/moshing etc.

Ok. I didn't mean you had a problem judging genres objectively - I was referring to the people whose reasons for not thinking Geddy Lee was a great musician were 'Rush is gay' and 'I don't like Rush'. And also the Neil Young comments.

Headbanging is fine IMO, but I hate moshing/limb flailing at concerts - it destroys the show for people who want to enjoy the music.

Then move. Not being able to ruins it for other people.

That's easier said than done. When you're cramped in a tiny venue, the reality is some people are going to have to be on the inside of the outer ring... these are the people who the moshers end up mangling because they start to occupy more and more space as the show goes on.

And I have to go somewhere not too far from the front because I'm shorter and I can't see otherwise.

Ah, I suppose. Yeah, though I do like moshing every so often it bugs me when people start **** or try getting people involved when they clearly don't want to be.

you know whether or not there's going to be moshing/dancing at a show before you even go (by the bands present). if you do go, don't bitch about getting hit, regardless of the venue size. i honestly don't understand why people would go to a metal/hardcore show and not dance/mosh. stand around and listen to a band play songs off their record at a lower quality.

sounds awesome.

You're right. I mean, I could have just sat home and listened to Gwar and still get the same satisfaction that I would get at their show..... getting covered in blood and piss.

That's what's great about shows; You get to SEE the band you're listening to.

But I do agree with you; You gotta weigh the benefits and the drawbacks; do you want to see the band alot more than you don't want to get hit, or vice versa?

--you know whether or not there's going to be moshing/dancing at a show before you even go (by the bands present). if you do go, don't bitch about getting hit, regardless of the venue size. i honestly don't understand why people would go to a metal/hardcore show and not dance/mosh. stand around and listen to a band play songs off their record at a lower quality.--

That's rubbish, you can see a band in any size venue and stand back and appreciate (or not) them. I am far too old and conscious of my fantastic good looks to get into a mosh these days. Does'nt mean I cannot enjoy a band.

Who says the music is lower quality? I would say that rock bands are infinitely better when they are live.

I am not saying get rid of mosh's, far from it; what I am saying is that you don't have to get a black eye to appreciate a band.

By that logic I might as well chuck on the music in my bedroom and dance in the safety of my own home... or do the same, but chuck a few inflatable dolls which spring back into position, in my room and mosh with them...

I go to a live show because it's unreal to simply see my favourite bands in real life... and if the band is a decent live band, they're better than they are on CD.

I agree that some bands can be better live than on album. I agree that you can enjoy some bands without dancing, though personally my greatest satisfaction at (hardcore) shows comes from ninja-ing it up to a br00tal breakdown and two-stepping to a groovy beat; when I hear either I just have to move. I agree that regardless of venue size, there is always a safe place to stand. I agree that Gwar is a completely different experience live as opposed to on album.

In conclusion, some of you need to learn how to use semi-colons and colons before you start inserting them like there's no tomorrow.

heh ive seen that before, that guy is a legend.

I'll use my colon however I want...... or something along those lines.:confused:

After seeing that video Frank Zappa is my new hero. Now I need to download more albums from him.