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View Poll Results: best avantgarde metal band?
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum 3 18.75%
Ephel Duath 3 18.75%
Idiot Flesh 1 6.25%
Stolen Babies 0 0%
Diablo Swing Orchestra 3 18.75%
other?! (please say which..) 6 37.50%
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ulver's later stuff is Avant Garde and it is definitely my favorite.
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:06 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Is there any reason why you can't be technical & avant garde?
where did I say that?
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:19 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Ok ok, assuming !T.O.O.H.! aren't avantgarde metal, then Gorguts probably win get the nod pour moi. And that wouldn't happen to be Helen from Sound Dev would it?
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:08 AM   #24 (permalink)
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where did I say that?
Well in this specific case thats how it seemed to me what you were saying. Someone said they thought this particular band were avant garde you were quick to dismiss it and say that they are 'Tech metal'. Now I assume only having limited knowledge about metal sub genres myself , that would mean this band play technical metal ,which is why I asked it it was not possible for a metal band that are technical to play avant garde material and be considered both.
Not trying to start an arguement with you or anything , it just there are so many genre arguements on this forum and something i've noticed about them is nobody seems to be willing to admit that a band may have more than one aspect to their sound and seem quite happy to place them all in one box. I just wanted to see what your reasoning about it rather than just dismissing out of hand , because avant grade in any artform isn't the sort of thing you can box up into one thing.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:05 PM   #25 (permalink)
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It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it.

In the case of !T.O.O.H.!, I don't hear anything in their music that tells me they are Avant Garde. The riffs, drumming techniques, baselines are all technical death metal styled. The only thing that might separated them from the rest is their general creative approach to their music (how the solos are handled, song structure) and their unique vocalist but in the end that holds little weight, and most certainly not enough to call them Avant Garde Metal.
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it.
Agreed. Gorguts is a good example of a technical/avant-garde metal band. So awesome.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:34 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Ah, I miss Seltzer.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:37 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Any reason why there are a whole load of poll threads now on the first page? Most have the polls closed and there are no new posts in them.
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Any reason why there are a whole load of poll threads now on the first page? Most have the polls closed and there are no new posts in them.
I assume it's because someone voted in the polls, thus bumping the threads, then one of fellow mods closed the polls so it doesn't happen again.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:42 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I assume it's because someone voted in the polls, thus bumping the threads, then one of fellow mods closed the polls so it doesn't happen again.
Bad music (Trivium, Hoobastank) seems to be the common thread here, so obviously a newbie.
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