They have a few good ones, but that it.........I mean it
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Because there sound is closer to say NAPALM DEATH or CARCASS than to say OBITUARY. Does it really matter what genre they are? I always hated all those little sub genres when I was a wee metal head, I hate them even more now I'm twenty years older!

LOL....

"Hey man I love this new CD, sounds a lot like grindcore"

"No you assclown, it's deathcore!!!OMGZ LOLZ~~~~~!!!"

HAHAHAHA

I just don't like them. My fiance LOVES RATM though. Of course, he has no good taste in music whatsoever. So that answers the question. Those without taste enjoy RATM.

And what exactly constitutes "good taste"? Dimmu Borgir? Maybe you should judge yourself before you go around judging others.

Dimmu Borgir have at least one good song. This alone puts them leagues ahead of RATM.

^^Lol.

This topic should have died long ago...

No seriously, the song Fear And Wonder is great.

Get back to me on that when you're a bit more experienced with death metal. You may think differently.

I'm sure it is...:laughing:

Does anyone really take this joker serious? He rates Norwegian death metal over RATM for God's sake!...:laughing:

Don't feed the trolls please...:-|

He should.....

A lot of Norwegian Death Metal bands are more technical and original then RATM.

And DB is not NDM they are technically in a Black Metal subgenre (I don't listen to them much so I wouldn't know.)

RATM kills its songs for me. "Killing in the Name of" starts off well, but turns into crap.

No I can't be bothered. I was listening to death metal before you were born-DEATH-SCREAM BLOODY GORE (1987), and the genre has'nt really changed in 20 years, a lot of ****e, a lot of indifferent bands and the odd half decent band rising out of the mire. NILE are doing NOTHING different to what the UK hardcore scene circa 1988 was doing except they have long hair and growl about non political/social subjects. It has nothing to do with their actual sound, but it's just not original. This sort of sound was beong banged out years ago-ENT/GENITAL DEFORMITIES/CEREBRAL FIX/BOLTHROWER/NAPALM DEATH/UNSEEN TERROR etc etc.

I'm actually with Jackhammer on this one.

Stuff like that sounded great at the time because it was totally new & different to what anybody had done before. I remember hearing Napalm Death for the first time around 88/89 and being blown away by it.
But by only a couple of years later the scene was overrun by bands who were just playing fast & shouting and added no originality to it.It's as if they were just copying how it sounded and missing the point that it was about pushing boundaries , which is one of the reasons I stopped listening to that kind of stuff in the mid 90s , it just got boring.

Urban-we have agreement! I think we may be in the minority on this one, but totally correct of course!

There are a lot of original Death Metal bands out there. In fact, I really only listen to the original ones. Nile isn't the same as that stuff before though. They have their twist, which makes it unique.

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If you replaced RATM with STP, I would still have a hard time buying that.

And how does more skill equate to making better music again?

Yeah, the lack of power metal vocals about level 9 black mages kinda killed it for me.

Well you tell me. Do you like to hear something not original? I hope not. Would you give more credit to a band who wasn't technical at all or a band who was extremely technical?

Do not take this beyond the point.


Yeah well I feel the energy gained in the beginning of that song is wasted. Not to mention the fact that it just keeps repeating the guitar riff over....and over.....and over again.

What are you taking about?. Theres like five different chord progressions in that song.

Besides, it's not like every song has to be in 11/4 time. Repetitive riffs are a rock music staple going from The Kinks all the way down to AC/DC to The White Stripes. Repetitive isn't always bad.

Inzuka-u have Led Zep underneath your profile. So Black Dog is not repetitive... It's all swings and roundabouts my man..

Also Zep > Sabbath IMO.

Well, then remain ignorant. It's all very well that you've listened to metal before a lot of people, but that causes bias. You might know about old DM but you don't know about new. If death metal hasn't changed its sound, why would old DM loyalists exist?

Nile is quite different to most death metal bands lyrically like you said. But their sound is different too... They're obsessed with Egyptian things and it shows - Egyptian scales, ambience, vocals etc... Also, their method of using dual vocals is quite uncommon. I don't know how you can say Nile is not at all original.

Check out Karl Sander's solo stuff which borders on ambient and isn't metal at all - then you'll understand why Nile sounds different to other death metal bands.

My main problem with Nile is that they get repetitive, but they are good otherwise.

wait....wait......what?

Bands still push limits within metal. You guys are just too lazy to find the right bands.

Anyone here a fan of Boris?

Extreme Noise Terror were using two distinctly different vocalists a long time ago, and I don't think I am remaining ignorant. I also have a friend who knows so much more than me, he's 40 and still regulary goes to gigs and he thinks NILE are awful too. The whole let's go as fast as we can has been done to absolute death. They may be big in America but their following isn't as big here because we have heard this sort of thing years ago.I will check out the guitarist though on your advice Seltzer.

Mastodon, Lamb Of God, Gojira, Dog Fashion Disco are some of the bands I've got into recently that DO sound different. If there are more please point me to them by all means, would love to hear new stuff.

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They're all over the place.

I'm seeing them live this month. Awesome band.

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It's not a case of being lazy.
I just don't like death metal but I do like grindcore.
When I first discovered grindcore it wasn't through my friends that were into metal it was the ones that were into punk , people who would listen to bands like Crass, Christian Death , Alien Sex Fiend , Einstürzende Neubauten. Much more interesting bands than the boring thrash/power metal bands my metal friends were listening to at the time.
What attracted me to it was the way in which it was totally new and also because it was relevant , lots of those original grindcore bands were politically motivated and had a message ,the speed & the aggression came about from the way they wanted to express it , they didn't wake up one day & think 'lets be in a death metal band' and just play fast for the sake of playing fast.
For me when metal bands started interpreting grindcore in their own way they missed the point entirely. Instead of looking at the whole package they just used the speed & aggression and applied the usual metal traits to it of guitar solos , lyrics about death & destruction , gore and all the other kind of things you'd associate with metal.
Now i'm not saying that there are no talented death metal bands out there and i'm sure there are some doing original things , but at the end of the day it makes no difference to me if you mix death metal with jazz or with opera or with electronica or whatever the hell you like , it's still death metal and I still dislike it for the reasons I mentioned above.

Wow, when you said mix Death Metal with Jazz the first thing that popped into my head was Mr. Bungle's "Carry Stress in the Jaw." Because that's exactly what that song does. I don't have much of an appreciation for Death Metal either, but that song is in my opinion completely amazing.

Check out Baroness, Ulver, Lair Of The Minotaur, and Genghis Tron.

It's not just the use of dual vocals - it's the way in which they use them.

He might think they're awful, but he shouldn't doubt their originality. They have a unique sound to them as in my post above. They go at whatever speed suits their music - not always fast, but usually fast. It isn't really any more done to death than going at medium speed or slow speed. Thousands of bands have done each.

I didn't like Nile at first because it just sounded like a mess of noise. I find that when I listen to them, I have to change my speaker setup because there's quite a lot going on at once. But even if I didn't like them now, I wouldn't doubt their originality.

Karl Sander's solo album is pretty good - just beware that it would appeal more to ambient/post-rock/prog fans than metal fans.

You can say that about any band...I guess maybe they have a lot of energy?

You just made me like you.

----Check out Baroness, Ulver, Lair Of The Minotaur, and Genghis Tron.----
Thanks for those will check them out.

----Karl Sander's solo album is pretty good - just beware that it would appeal more to ambient/post-rock/prog fans than metal fans.-----

Lol-I listen to everything from Ulrich Schnauss to Agnostic Front, so will definitely check it out.

Do you know what's ****ed up about this though? I recently tried an album by a band called LYMPHATIC PHLEGM which is a right old racket and I liked it!
I do not understand my own tastes sometimes, AND this is a RATM thread lol.
Seltzer-I'm going to give NILE another chance, what album is the best? the one I got hold of was about 1999-can't remember the name but the production was terrible, couple that with a dodgy Youtube vid I watched and that was that!

I for one do not like RATM due to the shameless guitar wank, I like boring riffs and I will issue no apology. I am not saying that everyone should like boring three chord riffs like I do but this is my reason why I don't like RATM.

I would buy all of their albums and listen to them religiously if they could just make Chris Cornell go away

...Baroness is pretty damn amazing live but they don't do too much for me on record.

Hearing RATM on TV this morning by accident it suddenly struck me that they sound exactly like how the Beastie Boys would have sounded had they decided to form a sh*t metal band.

RATM, great band. One of the bands I got into in my early teens that I still like. Their cover of In My Eyes is awesome, one of the few covers of that song I've heard that brought some originality to the song, and still resonates the message and intensity of Minor Threat.