first of all they actually have a purpose in what they are doing. they have a specific idea they are 100% devoted to. thus their music has a meaning and a purpose. their songs have lyrics that are meant to bring something out of you (a rage against the machine). now whether you LIKE them or not, i hope you can appreciate that. just watch the concert performance outside of the democratic national convention where they continue to play after being told they will be arrested in 5 minutes... and when the cops come to arrest him he starts singing '**** YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME'. talk about believing in something.

secondly, tom lays down some sick as noise on the guitar. he is a phenomenal guitar player. sure he CAN play 2 handed tabbing solos like all other super 'talented' guitarist, but instead he does something creative. he makes his own sounds, and often plays the guitar in an unconventional method. he is also not so one dimensional as many guitarist nowadays. he has a different sound when he was with audioslave, and the night watchman is completely different than anything one would expect from him.

thirdly, these guys dont have a POPULAR following. they have a massive following of people who believe in the words that they speak. they have some of the most crazy and die hard fans i have ever seen of any band ever.

fourthly, they ****ing hate cops.... me too!

so if you dont LIKE them thats fine, but dont sit here and say they suck, or that they are talentless, or any other bull**** like that.

Thank you for going back on topic. The Unfan was trying to turn this into the "crappy black metal bands no one should care about" thread.

Sorry, I don't appreciate people preaching a view I am against. That would be like me appreciating what the Bush administration does. Yeah, but having strong beliefs doesn't prevent you from writing terrible music.

Oh, well I'd rather hear music. But his methods are horrible. Everything about his playing is bland, boring, and all around atonal. I'm not sure which guitarists you're speaking of. I've not heard it so I won't judge it.

Correct. No real human, or even decent being likes a RATM fan. However, they are a popular band with a following. If by massive you mean fat college kids who wear Che Guevara shirts without any understanding of his politics I am inclined to agree. Only crazies would like such a horrible band.

Okay, random pothead guy! You're cool!

They suck, were talentless, and I still stand by my statement of them being the worst band I've ever heard.

The only black metal mentioned in this thread is some of Ulver's material.

Yes, a black/death metal fan that dispises unmelodic guitar playing. Who would have thunk it?

*Enter metal guitarist here*

You truly are the biggest prick in this forums history.

Puh-lease...he's a wee baebeh compared to the likes of Don/Hiu...

RATM make kick ass music, I don't much care about their, more often than not, undecipherable lyrics\political agenda. *shallow*

Don't feed the trolls people....unless you're really bored... :rolleyes:

Nope. It was tough at first but I already decided that he's worse than Don and Hiu.

And if The Unfan insists on trolling on his own thread, why should we keep it open? The whole idea was to make a thread devoted entirely to dissing a band and taking the sh*t on anybody who even thinks of defending them. Aren't those kinda things breaking the rules?

Yeah I really like Tom's solos. He is innovative as far as guitar playing goes. Sometimes I swear he is using a turntable, but really he is just using a guitar.



And I have to say that over my two week vacation I have learned to appreciate RATM a lot more. I don't think they are amazing, but their music is great for traveling. I swear every time I was in the car I listened to their s/t at least once.

And he uses really cheap pedals. All the stuff about him using advanced equipment and studio tricks is completely fabricated. Watch him live, its a few little piss ant stomp boxes.

And what he can do with just a few little piss ant stomp boxes is pretty remarkable. Like you said, he's a Hip Hop guitarist, and really the only guy deserving of such a title.

Sorta, but it's produced some good counter arguments so it would be kinda pointless to close it now. Tough call.... Do you want me to ban his ass, just for shits and giggles?*shrug*