Trying to Find Non-Satanic Rock (Genesis, cover, quote, history)

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-17-2007, 09:26 PM

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How about this: ignorant teenage boy with tons of bravado preaching about the non-existence of God on an internet forum to show credibility for his cynical "free-thinking, wanna be new age revolutionary" theories contradicting any study of theology ever conducted in the past two millenia.

Well hello to you too, good friend. How has your day been?

riseagainstrocks · 04-19-2007, 10:29 AM

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CAPTAIN AWESOME THE MIGHTIEST SUPER HERO EVER WILL SAVE THE DAY.

Are you known as scum on another message board? (I ask because of your user title)

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-19-2007, 11:43 AM

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Are you known as scum on another message board? (I ask because of your user title)

Nope, though oddly enough I've used Atheist Scum on a few back in 04-ish.

tdoc210 · 04-17-2007, 02:08 PM

I never understood how people could beleive in a "god".
why would you want to think something is higher than you?
I don't, im not going to outright deride a whole group of people
but i think that to serve in a religion you are submitting to the fact that you are a slave to something you can't see, be the papists, or Buddhists there's always a doctrine to follow.
I like to think of religious documents, well specifically the Christian, texts a pretentious child's tale, ie to make them not scared of death. Fact of the matter is, you die, and your body is recycled into the ground.

cardboard adolescent · 04-17-2007, 02:16 PM

Okay, the idea that the sun revolved around the earth was never a scientific fact, that was an Aristotlean idea which became intertwined with the Catholic church and was therefore never challenged, until Galileo and Copernicus. I can't say what Aristotle based his idea on, certainly not any sort of scientific method, but it's pretty obvious why the church embraced it. Nowadays, scientific facts are based on experiment and observation, in all the sciences, from physics to geology. In my opinion, there's no difference between observing particles in a cloud chamber and looking at something under a microscope. Our understanding of the universe is no means absolute, but what we do know we know with a great deal of certainty, and isn't likely to be disproven. Most of the theories we hold true will probably be expanded upon, and shown to have a great deal more depth than we previously imagined, but they're unlikely to ever be thrown out the window.

Earth = center --> sun = center : result of aristotle and church, neither of whom used anything resembling scientific method
Newtonian mechanics ---> general relativity ---> quantum mechanics : expansion of knowledge. newtonian mechanics still apply and are true, there's just more depth.

tdoc210 · 04-17-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Okay, the idea that the earth revolved around the sun was never a scientific fact, that was an Aristotlean idea which became intertwined with the Catholic church and was therefore never challenged, until Galileo and Copernicus. I can't say what Aristotle based his idea on, certainly not any sort of scientific method, but it's pretty obvious why the church embraced it. Nowadays, scientific facts are based on experiment and observation, in all the sciences, from physics to geology. In my opinion, there's no difference between observing particles in a cloud chamber and looking at something under a microscope. Our understanding of the universe is no means absolute, but what we do know we know with a great deal of certainty, and isn't likely to be disproven. Most of the theories we hold true will probably be expanded upon, and shown to have a great deal more depth than we previously imagined, but they're unlikely to ever be thrown out the window.

Earth = center --> sun = center : result of aristotle and church, neither of whom used anything resembling scientific method
Newtonian mechanics ---> general relativity ---> quantum mechanics : expansion of knowledge. newtonian mechanics still apply and are true, there's just more depth.

im quite sure it does

Voodoo Chile · 04-17-2007, 04:27 PM

No. How am I supposed to know if there are invisible monkeys dragging us down or not? To me, that's no more far-fetched than the theory of gravity.

beat yr own KID · 04-17-2007, 05:50 PM

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No. How am I supposed to know if there are invisible monkeys dragging us down or not? To me, that's no more far-fetched than the theory of gravity.

lmao no it's not.

Voodoo Chile · 04-17-2007, 07:04 PM

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lmao no it's not.

You must've missed two key words in that last sentence. Very convincing argument, by the way.

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well, absolute skepticism is all nice and dandy, and i agree with you that absolute truth is unattainable, but eventually you have to accept that scientific concepts are, if not "true," at least applicable, to make any sort of technological advancement

Yeah, you're right, and I do accept that. I'm open to the possibility that nothing really exists, or that everything isn't quite how we see it or think it is, but I kind of just have to go through each day as if everything does exist. Otherwise I'd be laying around on the floor shitting and pissing myself until I die.

NoiseNotMusic · 11-17-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Chile

You must've missed two key words in that last sentence. Very convincing argument, by the way.

Yeah, you're right, and I do accept that. I'm open to the possibility that nothing really exists, or that everything isn't quite how we see it or think it is, but I kind of just have to go through each day as if everything does exist. Otherwise I'd be laying around on the floor shitting and pissing myself until I die.

That is a very unproductive way to look at reality.

04-17-2007, 02:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,608	I never understood how people could beleive in a "god". why would you want to think something is higher than you? I don't, im not going to outright deride a whole group of people but i think that to serve in a religion you are submitting to the fact that you are a slave to something you can't see, be the papists, or Buddhists there's always a doctrine to follow. I like to think of religious documents, well specifically the Christian, texts a pretentious child's tale, ie to make them not scared of death. Fact of the matter is, you die, and your body is recycled into the ground. __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

04-17-2007, 02:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	Okay, the idea that the sun revolved around the earth was never a scientific fact, that was an Aristotlean idea which became intertwined with the Catholic church and was therefore never challenged, until Galileo and Copernicus. I can't say what Aristotle based his idea on, certainly not any sort of scientific method, but it's pretty obvious why the church embraced it. Nowadays, scientific facts are based on experiment and observation, in all the sciences, from physics to geology. In my opinion, there's no difference between observing particles in a cloud chamber and looking at something under a microscope. Our understanding of the universe is no means absolute, but what we do know we know with a great deal of certainty, and isn't likely to be disproven. Most of the theories we hold true will probably be expanded upon, and shown to have a great deal more depth than we previously imagined, but they're unlikely to ever be thrown out the window. Earth = center --> sun = center : result of aristotle and church, neither of whom used anything resembling scientific method Newtonian mechanics ---> general relativity ---> quantum mechanics : expansion of knowledge. newtonian mechanics still apply and are true, there's just more depth. Last edited by cardboard adolescent; 04-17-2007 at 02:50 PM.

04-17-2007, 04:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Voodoo Chile Groupie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 45	No. How am I supposed to know if there are invisible monkeys dragging us down or not? To me, that's no more far-fetched than the theory of gravity. __________________ Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within.