I don't respect your beliefs. Listen to devil music or get the fuck out.

For a start, unless the music manifestly and EXPRESSLY supports and promotes Satanism, devil worship or whatever... you really have no way of knowing what it was the writer/s really intended. So you don't really have to think about that or read up on it, as most of what you'll come across is merely speculation anyway.

Furthermore, just because a song has the WORD "Satan" in it doesn't necessitate that the song is "Satanic" or promoting satan or whatever. It could be talking about any one of thousands of possible topics that might involve some discussion or minor mention of the devil. You have to bear that in mind. Be a little more broad minded.

The vast majority of rock and metal music you're likely to come across is not truly in any way promoting devil worship. Even bands like Slayer, for heaven's sake, who seem to be speaking openly of praising Satan in some of their songs, are not really Satanists. Rather, they try to portray a certain viewpoint held by some people in the world. I mean, they even wrote a pretty popular song called Angel Of Death which speaks from the perspective of Josef Mengele, the Nazi scientist who carried out sick, deranged experiments on children at concentration camps and so forth. Does that mean that Slayer are Nazis? Of course not.

Think beyond the apparent, a bit. Bands are often just trying to express ideas through their music they don't even necessarily agree with. Most of the rest of the time, any mentions of Satan etc are in no way promotional. Ultimately, it's really down to how YOU as a person are prepared to think about the matter. If you deny yourself the enjoyment of listening to music you actually like based off of the possibility that it MIGHT, just MIGHT have something to do with promoting Satan, then that's a great pity for you, man.

Stop using such good logic when yr talking to someone so ignorant of the world around them. You're gonna make em sad :(

all of rainard's posts are little essays, makes me feel bad about having such short posts myself =(

stans ****
give sme the power to shred my vocals beyonfd all repair

so having an opinion different than your own makes me deserving of your puerile potshots? i think you're the one ignorant of the world around you. people think differently than you, they have that right, grow up.

Having the right doesn't make it a good idea.

Haha you think rock music is satanic. You are ignorant to a huggeeeee part of music. The fact that you even made this thread shows you don't know much of the world around you. Sure you have opinions. Good for you. Keep it up. But maybe try logic a bit? It helps.

I didn't say that all rock is satanic. in fact if you read one of my posts on the first page, i say that i think it isn't all satanic. in the subject i was paraphrasing, and in my post, I specified that in my research, those bands were satanic and i was trying to find bands with a similar sound that weren't.

What about this thread says that i don't know much about the world around me?

and who's to say you know so much? your post doesn't even make sense. what do i need to "try logic" for? perhaps you need to examine your own logic. if i think that "rock music is satanic", to quote you, then why would i be listening to any rock in the first place if it disagrees with me? perhaps you should try actually reading the post rather than just reading the subject and posting. maybe try reading a bit? It helps.

Tooth and Nail is a christian label that released contemporary music, no idea if you're in to the sort of thing they put out i'm not but still worth checking out.

a good group to try is "Within Temptation"
their song Angels was written about some one trying to kill her and her stoping him from doing so(if you watch the MVideo) Stand My Ground is a good song too along with:see who i am, Jillian (i give my all), forsaken, Aquarius, world of make believe, mother earth, dark wings, the fear, and destroyed

I can't stand most Christian rock, like Trinity and stuff like that. I have a hard time believing that even Jesus likes it.

He walked on water, turned water into wine, healed the sick, raised the dead, died for the salvation of all mankind, resurected from the dead. I can't accept that besides all of this, our savior has lousy taste in music. Let alone be such a jerk that he would force us to listen to the same crap music that he does.

There are some good Christian bands out there though, my brother played drums for his church's Christian Rock band.

Um, Where are your facts on this one?

The only time we see Hitler with any amount of sentimentality, he's got his are around a bust of Nietzsche who thought that Christianity was a way to breed a slave mentality of subservient sheep.

Not only that but Hitler created a Nazi church in which his image replaced Jesus and Mary.

You made this thread!!! wtf man!?! "music glorifying satan goes against my beliefs". You insinuated that all rock is devil music. Plus you're whining about symbols in zepplin songs that may be sataning. Stop being such a whiner. It's music!!! Listen to it because you like it. Who says you have to agree with it? I think christianity is one of the dumbest things ever but goddamn if the snake the cross the crown or mewithoutyou aren't 2 of the most amaizng bands I have ever come across. They loovvveee them some jesus but am I gonna say zommggg i kant listen 2 dewm cos dey talk about sumthin i dun habeeb!11 It's music. Stop taking it so serious unless yr actually playing it.

you're still misunderstanding my point. "music glorifying satan goes against my beleifs" means that if a band is outright satanic, then i have some problems listening to them. i specified some bands that i'm concerned about. never did i say ALL rock music, and yet you still can't seem to understand this.

perhaps i didn't make one part clear, which is to find out if what i read about these bands and satanism is true. because i know these things can often be fabricated and blown out of proportion.

if you've talked to enough people in life, you'd know that "my beliefs" doesn't always imply a religion. i'm not comfortable with satanism and some of the dark practices that go along with it. that's all. i didn't bring my own religion into this, but everyone just went out on a limb and assumed i'm christian.

and what am i "whining" about here? i didn't just say "oh woe is me! there are satanic bands and i can't listen to them!". what i was saying was "i think some of these bands are satanic. i don't particularly agree with that (note this is devoid of a religion, or an accusation of all rock being satanic. just to make it easier for you to break down). is what i've read correct? are there other bands that are more neutral that have a similar sound?" yet somehow you've managed to get all pissed off and blow this out of proportion.

Usually people "uncomfortable" with "satanic" music are christian. Are you or not? THat's not the point though. The point is why are you so worried about a few "satanic"...if you could even call them that....references in music? It's just music.

because i am, and it's as simple as that.

people often have phobias or dislikes that others don't understand. for example, i knew a girl who was deathly afraid of syrup. she had this idea that if there was syrup near her, it would somehow get in her hair, and this terrified her. now to you and me, this sounds silly. how in the world, could syrup get in your hair if you're being careful? but to her it was a very real and rational concern. was she mentally handicapped, or just not very bright? not at all, she's one of the most intelligent people i've ever met.

same goes for this thread. my aversion to occult and satanic references in music may seem naive or irrational to you, but to me it's a concern, and because you can't understand it or think it's trivial doesn't make me oblivious to the world around me.

beat yr own KID, he never said all rock is Satanic, get over it.

How many times do I have to tell you this. We ARE ALLOWED to listen to any kind of music we want to as long as we don't glorify its sinful beliefs. I have this debate with many Christians today and I even go as far to say that even if you don't make a Christian band when you are a Christian, you can still glorify God by giving him credit and things like that. After all Christians are supposed to be "little Christs" in that we follow his ways and try to show others what he is about. We do not have to do this through music and we can simply glorify him at concerts and/or interviews and stuff like that.

I don't think Jesus even cares about music because God was on his mind 24/7 when he was on Earth waiting to be crucified. I f he did I don't think he would like the music anyways seeing that I still haven't found a talented Christian rock band. Skillet is the only band that is starting to step up, though I still won't consider them good. I listen to absolutely no Christian rock. I think if Christian bands really want to get people to appreciate them, then they should create their own genre and stop ripping people off. Also, any TRUE music listener would not care whether they were talking about Christ or not and instead they would care about the content of the music.
Whatever. All I know is that there was some controversy about that. Either way, if you blaspheme God and say you are a Christian then you are a liar.

This is a very illogical idea. Blaspheming and believing Christ is your savior aren't connected in any way and thus aren't mutually exclusive. I can say "I hate TMNT" and still be a fan and collect the comic books while hating what is currently happening in the series. Just as one can be a fan of God's previous works but disapprove of his current direction. One can hope that God gets back on track and thus follow him while having grounds to commit blasphemy.

I actually agree wirth most of that.

For me it's a matter of personal bias, I've spent a good deal of my life with Baptists, Evangelicals and Penticostals. So you can say that my negative opinions on Christianity are influenced by that.

Some Baptists can especially be pretty obnoxious, they dictated me over everything, my appearance, my sense of humor, my taste in music, my political points of view, etc. I eventually stopped going to Church, I came to the conclusion that if there is a god, he wouldn't be so cruel as in to make it a obligation for me to spend such a great deal of my time with assh*les who use the word of god to promote ignorance.

I know there are good christians, but so so so sooooooooo many people who call themselves Christian are such douchebags.

That doesn't make sense. Having a phobia is one thing....so you have a phobia of satantic rock to the point where you look for examples of it in anything you listen to? You need help yo haha. That's fuckin nuts.

where did I say i had a phobia of satanic rock? i was using the phobia thing as an example.

to quote myself: "my aversion to occult and satanic references in music". an "aversion" is much different than a phobia.

I don't know if its been stated. But nothing about Stairway to Heaven is satanic.

Yeah seriously, from what i've heard about most "satanic" songs its more like parents just trying to get music they dislike banned by saying it contains some kind of message backwards.

This reminds me of the time I showed my mom the song "hooker with a penis" by Tool and she flipped out. I was like, "Mom, you don't even know the true meaning."

Those are called lukewarms. And I hate it when people way they are Christians and go around getting drunk, having sex out of their marriage, etc.

Lol, like my stepdad.

What are you talking about? If you like God's previous works then you believe he is perfect. If you believe he is perfect then you believe his actions must be perfect. Therefore everything about God is perfect.

i said jesus christ today, that was a determining factor in ym suspension seperation of church and state my ass

I'm not sure what kind of wacky ass backwards Christian universe you live in but last I checked you could still like something and still believe its not perfect.


/derail

But his previous works were the Bible and in the Bible it says he is perfect.

False.

Perfection is always perfect. Therefore if you believe that God was at one time perfect, than he cannot ever not be perfect.

As cool as TMNT is, it's not perfect.

Liking something and believing it to be perfect are different things. Nowhere in any of my statements did I imply that liking him implied you believed he is/was perfect, simply because that idea is silly. You can like something and believe it is far from perfect, you can also like things for different reasons. One could believe that The Bible is a great work of fiction produced by God and thus like God as a writer.

I like gods older stuff but his new stuff is soooo meh. He was better before he signed to a major label :(

God sold out

Once he dropped the band and started doing pop music he lost all his cred. Too bad. He had potential.

That doesn't make sense to "like" God's works. If you believe in the concept of a God at all, that means you are attributing perfection to him. That's the definition. You can like the Bible by all means. But if you believe God wrote it (or if it was divinely inspired) then I can't see how you can justify his existence but not his perfection.

:-\

God sucks anyway.

Notice how you never described why.