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I don't think anyone mentioned GRUNGE rock like Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mad Season, Screaming Trees. VERY important genre to be left out if i do say so myself.

I love Jade Warrior, more toward the beginning incarnation of the band... first wave Jade Warrior if you will.

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Originally Posted by Flower Child (Post 593881)

I don't think anyone mentioned GRUNGE rock like Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mad Season, Screaming Trees. VERY important genre to be left out if i do say so myself.

Yeah, I agree here, Grunge needs to be added to the list of Rock, it is an important form of rock (imo)

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Originally Posted by int3r4ct (Post 648267)

Yeah, I agree here, Grunge needs to be added to the list of Rock, it is an important form of rock (imo)

Yeah, but grunge, its not progressive rock :nono:

Do anyone love the Gentle Giants????

You have Lamb of God as Hardcore I think they belong somewhere along the lines of Groove Metal. That seems to fit them a little more

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Originally Posted by zegna (Post 579244)

I definitely agree with the part in bold.

But the rest of your post looks to be total bull. First, Iommi didn't lose a finger but the tips of two fingers on his right hand (middle and ring, I think). He played left-handed. The plastic finger tips he created had nothing to do with the way he hit chords since they were on his fret hand. And, in any case, it's generally the progressions themselves (chromatic, tritone, modal scale), which gives metal its character, not just how the chords are hit.

Next, you'll be saying that his plastic finger tips gave birth to palm-muting (or pizzicato)...

Yeah it's true he got the tip cut off not the whole finger. He began with a metal piece on the tip of his finger And try rubbin any piece of metal it gives a new tone.

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Originally Posted by RocknRolla (Post 561284)

Judas Priest as founder of metal? i don't think so. Black Sabbath did. Tony Lommi Sabbaths lead guitarist lost one of his fingers working at a plant, and he made a fake one and when played on the guitar as he strummed the chords is made a deeper darker sound. that was the birth of heavy metal.

I think Black Sabbath undoubtedly gave birth to the heavy metal movement and laid down its foundations such as image and sound etc but the fact that they were like most bands of their day, originally a blues rock outfit really goes against what heavy metal would become, for this reason Judas Priest could be seen as the first true heavy metal band because of the complete lack of blues influence and their double lead guitar etc.

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Originally Posted by Scratchy7929 (Post 590272)

Probably at it's peak between 1976 to 1980.If any group that charactaristed Pomp rock it would be Saga (Canadian).Other than that Styx (American).It was a term used by the press by for groups who sounded kind of Prog but never really took their music on a journey like Prog groups did.The music used short keyboard/guitar breaks instead of extended ones.It is was mainly uptempo/positive sounding - it was FM radio friendly.Arena rockers Journey,Boston & Kansas etc I would consider associated, Magnum had better song/musical craft to fit in easily with Pomp but related (Melodic Heavy rock).Pendragon - definately Neo-Prog.In the early 70's Rush were often refered as Pomp as well,but not as FM radio friendly & had better song/musical craft again.It basically went out of fasion when new wave & then neo-prog (about '82) emerged.

I suppose you could put pomp rock somewhere in between prog rock and arena rock because groups like Styx and Kansas could easiily fit into this genre as to a degree could both Boston and Toto, Steve Perry Journey less so.

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Originally Posted by Starfish (Post 660690)

Yeah, but grunge, its not progressive rock :nono:

Do anyone love the Gentle Giants????

Grunge might be a long way from Prog but songs like "21st Century Schizoid Man" and Some King Crimson material would have definately been a huge influence on Prog.

Even grungy sounding groups like The Smashing Pumpkins were probably closer to Prog than grunge in spirit at least, given the complex arrangements and mellotron stylings in their music.

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Originally Posted by Starfish (Post 660690)

Yeah, but grunge, its not progressive rock :nono:

Do anyone love the Gentle Giants????

Gentle Giant is great! Also King Krimson, Yes, Rush, all great prog groups. Let's not forget Frank Zappa!

And there is a connection from prog to grunge. Listen to Soundgarden songs like outshined have a definite prog influence!