Godsmack (jazz, metal, rock, albums, goth)

~~[MERIT]~~ · 03-02-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I`m still confused as to how someone can say that record sales = talent can have Fozzy as a favourite band.

I never said that the two were mutually exclusive. And I like Fozzy. You like the Legendary Pink Dots. Sue me.

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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow

you don't know what folk is you can't talk about your genre knowledge.

You fiercely overuse the term.

swim · 03-02-2007, 11:20 PM

I did not. Folk=Roots.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-02-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay

I never said that the two were mutually exclusive. And I like Fozzy. You like the Legendary Pink Dots. Sue me.

You can throw as many bands I listen to at me as you like , in the end it`s pointless because i`m not the one argueing that ... you are.

So what are you saying now then that sales = talent , unless it`s a band you like?

~~[MERIT]~~ · 03-02-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

You can throw as many bands I listen to at me as you like , in the end it`s pointless because i`m not the one argueing that ... you are.

So what are you saying now then that sales = talent , unless it`s a band you like?

Try reading your own posts Richard. You're the one trying to throw my favorite bands in my face, just because they're not insanely popular. And all I said is that record sales must be taken into account in determing how good a band is. A contributing factor, along with MANY other, such as lyrical content and musical ability.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-02-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay

There's a reason why Godsmack and Creed are multi-platinum selling artists, and bands like RiseAgainst are POS myspacer's.

A contributing factor you say?

~~[MERIT]~~ · 03-02-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

A contributing factor you say?

So you disagree that a better band will sell more records? (and lets everyone keep in mind that the quality of a band is completely relative to the listener).

PaperHurricanesAndPlanes · 03-02-2007, 11:39 PM

I do. Sometimes it's how it's marketed, and the media attention is gets.

riseagainstrocks · 03-02-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay

So you disagree that a better band will sell more records? (and lets everyone keep in mind that the quality of a band is completely relative to the listener).

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

The fact of the matter is, music at it's core is about expressing an idea or emotion. It's not about how many people understand that idea or emotion. It's about the ideal itself. Selling a lot of records generally means one of two things: the idea or emotion is a very common one and appeals to a lot of people (i.e. love), or that the idea or emotion displayed on the song or album is one that might not have broad appeal but the musicianship draws people in, due to a simple cadence, or catchy melody, etc etc.

However, in the realm of underground music, the ideal comes (or at least, it should) first. The important thing is the imprint of the feeling/story/whatever. Everything else is secondary. Look at Buried Inside's Chronoclast; the central theme and ideal of it is the monopolization and institution of time and how it is used to control our lives. They could care less if they sold one million records or one hundred, no doubt it would be nice, but that's not the point at all.

To equate relevancey to talent is an obscene conjecture. Look at Jazz, Classical (hell the entire Western Art Movement from the early 1600's to now), Metal, etc. The most talented musicians in the world aren't on MTV, they're expressing their ideas and emotions in the medium they do it best.

No seriously, it's a good post and goes in detail into why I think you're completely wrong. Please, read, respond.

~~TheUsedToolguy~~ · 03-02-2007, 11:48 PM

I have to agree w/ pape on this one. There are a few main critics in the media who pretty much every other critics listen to and say exactly what they say, that's why you don't see much variation from one critique to another. One critic gives an album 7/10, another might give it 8/10. Same goes for movies. Of course how well an album is critiqued also doesn't always correlate w/ sales. I'll put it this way, bands who play what's popular at the time are most likely to get signed. That doesn't necessarily mean they started playing that just to catch on to the trend, they could have been playing it for years before it became popular. Once a band gets in the studio, I think it really shows on the record how much the band influenced it, or some poppy producer influenced it, and a lot of times, albums that were really overproduced, and really fake sounding sell pretty well.

~~The Unfan~~ · 03-03-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay

So you disagree that a better band will sell more records?

Anyone who knows anything about the world of music would disagree.

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~~TheUsedToolguy~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Joplin, MO Posts: 468	I have to agree w/ pape on this one. There are a few main critics in the media who pretty much every other critics listen to and say exactly what they say, that's why you don't see much variation from one critique to another. One critic gives an album 7/10, another might give it 8/10. Same goes for movies. Of course how well an album is critiqued also doesn't always correlate w/ sales. I'll put it this way, bands who play what's popular at the time are most likely to get signed. That doesn't necessarily mean they started playing that just to catch on to the trend, they could have been playing it for years before it became popular. Once a band gets in the studio, I think it really shows on the record how much the band influenced it, or some poppy producer influenced it, and a lot of times, albums that were really overproduced, and really fake sounding sell pretty well.