The State of Metal In 10 Years? 20 Years?
 

Just curious to see what you guys think

personally in terms of popularity its reaching another climax and will soon fall down again, as always the underground is relatively strong, but i dunno if there will be another golden age like the 80s-mid-90s

Metal will just go on & on & on & on.

It`s one of the very few genres that carries on regardless of trends or fashions.

As long as there are 16 year old boys into homoerotic male bonding around guitars there will always be metal.

Metal had a golden age in the 80's? That's sort of like saying Hitler had a golden age in the early 40's.

It was the kind of metal dominating the mainstream, though. And he was speaking in terms of popularity.

I think Metalcore will still either be there, or made a big impression in how metal is done. Whatever style is big in that 10 years, it will porlly have some metalcore influences.

The only metalcore worth listening to is Integrity. I think the number of metal genre will keep widening and mix different sounds and will continue to have a decent progression.

I agree with Urban when he says popularity-wise it's pretty damn strong right now but it's hitting a peak and will decrease within the next few years. It's like it got real big and now there's a bit of a backlash with everything thats not "hardcore" enough. I cannot organize my thoughts right now, I doubt I'm even making snse, I'll stop there, k?

I see metal turning into mad wankage in 20 years...everyone will have the perspective of John Petrucci and Yngwie...Fuck being Melodic because i can play 234523452354 beats per second.

Lol fuck being melodic? more like fuck being good. Petrucci and Yngwie blow.

They're both ridiculously good guitarists...they just wank..and dont care about melody.

Why are they good, because they can play fast? That just means they've built up muscle memory. That doesn't make them good musicians.

They have the technical ability to play guitar VERY well.

When did i ever say "They are great songwriters"


Never.

Yeah, they're both very talented..just not when it comes to writing..They are good guitarists..maybe not writers.

Please tell me you used hyperbole to illustrate a point.

To me when you call someone a good guitarist you are calling them a good musician. And to me being a good musician* there are two parts technical skill and creative writing ability. One all by itself is pure ****. Wanking without coherantcy is pointless and so is good writing with someone messing up every measure.


*not over all just as far as puting out an album. If I were speaking about over all reading and having a good ear would be included but, seeing how you can not hear either of those through a song they arent relevant

Technical ability does not have to involve writing at all. Some people can be really good at what they do but cant write for ****. Thats why there are composers and lyricists and arrangers who cant even play an instrument, but they sure are damn good at what they do.

You don't know a damn thing about good musicians, let alone heard anything Yngwie has done outside of his G3 crap, likely.

Wow, you're pretty retarded, last time I checked those were two completely different things.

Theres a goddamn difference between good songwriters and good musicians.

Absolutely not, it takes a lot of time and effort to play what Yngwie does (regardless of how horrible you think it sounds), thinking otherwise clearly shows how little you know about guitar.

I play guitar, it isn't easy sh*t to remember, let alone actually play.

Songwriting isn't all that matters, because I don't give a sh*t how much of a songwriter you are if you're not even good enough to get a decent sound out of the instrument you're playing, and overall your own idea of good songwriting is probably annoying little jingles like the ones Isaac Brock writes, which really requires no real effort unless you're mentally challenged... Being a good guitarist is pretty damn hard to do, Yngwie at least devoted his time to learning how to play the instrument, as opposed to you listening to godawful indie music and judging musicians calling them good or bad like you have the f*cking right, or knowledge for that matter.

My post was suppose to provoke an explanation of why either were any good but I haven't got it yet. I've heard enough Yngwie to know he's nothing worth listening to.

Well I can say good music is subjective like I had a million times before, but you don't get it, not only is music quality entirely subjective, but judging instrumentalists based on what of you think of their own music dosen't really have anything to do with music at all, just you're own agenda.

I can say Ritchie Blackmore is a bad guitarist because I dislike every band he's ever been in (save Blackmores Night) but I would get my ass kicked, because even I know it's not true. Guitar playing in itself is quite a serious artform much like songwriting is, only songwriting is easier. Trying to link the two together the way you do is pretty narrowminded, for example, with your logic, you probably think Jimmy Page isn't a good guitarist and Isaac Brock is, in which case I would have to strangle you with my bare hands in order to prevent your incredible closed mindedness on the subject of guitar playing from infecting other young impressionable morons who only listen to albums based on the "good word" of Pitchfork.

Did Isaac Brock molest you as a child or something? I cannot understand this fixation you have with Modest Mouse.

They did something horrible to me, they made some albums, I listened to them.

I take it very personally because it was among the worst experiences in my life.

How very melodramatic.

I was sexualy molested at a young age (not expecting you to believe that but....) and not even that was as painful of a experience as listening to Wild Pack Of Family Dogs.

J Mascis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yngwie.

Hahaha.

In songwriting yes, but your indie hipster bullsh*t and overuse of ">" and "<" related posts won't fool anyone... Songwriting means nothing if you intend on writing those songs with a guitar, J is a better songwriting, Yngwie is a better guitarist, once you can find the distinction between the two there will be no further need for what will likely be a 20 page argument.

Overall it depends on what you write, if it's simple song structure then learning it on guitar is easy, but if it's a little complicated (meaning you're a bad songwriter, of course) then you're gonna at least know how to play the damn guitar/bass/drums/hurdy gurdy or whatever the hell you play.

Owning a Dinosaur Jr album makes people indie & hip now?

:laughing:
Maybe 20 odd years ago it did

Lawl you took me seriously what's your problem with indie music anyway.

No, but Indie fans that post on music forums tend to makes posts like "this artist >>>>> that artist" every couple of minutes on every thread they find.

It's not my problem with indie music, it's my problem with people that listen to indie music.

Go make a thread on this. Byebye.

I predict that in 10 years the metal scene will be almost exactly the same, but larger. I see right now that post-rock/doom/drone are very strong in their stride and I reckon the scene will be very strong and broad down the road too. I think metal will become more "artsy". And I predict Nu-metal will fade out in about 7 years.

Fingers crossed.

I thought it already did.

I remember saying somewhere that at some point almost every thread debating metal turns into technicality issue somewhere along the line.

Thats why metal will never die , you can`t imagine the same people getting the same buzz from anything else really.

Na it still lingers, it's at the point where the flood has stopped but the river still flows. Sh*t that was a good metaphor or whatever language technique I just used.

I'm not even a metal fan, and I express my distaste for metal all the time, I just don't like it when Stone Magnet and Swimintheundertow are so quick to diss it, just for the simple logic that they use.

For the last 10 years, I think Metal has been more focused on more Extreme Style than the stuff of Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath etc. I think thats why most people see MetalHeads as a bunch of Devil Worshippers who dress in black, and think singers usually scream and growl.

Most people don't even realize how Metal can be appreciated by people who don't listen to Metal. Heavy Metal is melodic, softer than usual, and can be appreciated by alot of people who don't listen to Metal. Speed Metal, Power Metal, Trash Metal, also needs to be re-popularize, because they're possibly the only melodic and most easy music to listen to through Metal.

That's why I appreciate people like Avenged Sevenfold (I don't like them by the way) they are, for me, the only band that have come close to Heavy Metal even though they ain't that great. (I know they were a MetalCore band before there first album)

And guys: You can't say Yngwie doesn't have Melody, you haters just don't like his Melody. Plus it's probably just too fast for you to think out the melody slowly, while most speedy guitarists can pick each string hit easier and notice the melody unlike people who can't play fast enough, that is why most great guitarists can play simpler compositions by just listening to it by ear. I'm just going by experience of how I recognized music when I couldn't play guitar as well as I could now.

Shred Guitar is soulful, melodic and can be moving. It's just too quick for you to here.

You'll have a bunch of crappy pop-rock and pop-punk bands who put in a 3 measure long screeching guitar solo mislabeled as progressive and tech metal. Everyone will associate a fashion with your music, and eventually the music will become second to that fashion. The masses with throw stupid stereotypes onto said style and anyone who may listen to the poorly labeled hybrid genre. Just like what happened with emo, you unhappy, slit your wrist metal kids.