The Official Rage Against The Machine thread (bootlegs, funk, rock)

[Whatsitoosit]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah, its amazing the tones you can bring out of a guitar.

Not just regarding Brian May but Tom Morello as well. I know he uses pedals but he programs his own effects, and its amazing what he can do with them.

Both May and Morello are in my top 20 favorite guitarists.

I believe Morello also used the edge of a coin in order to get that unique grating sound that is in most of their records. Brian May used a specific sixpence coin in order to achieve some of his unique tones as well.

Originally Posted by mr dave

whatever boo boo. if you really believe 90% of the music that exists was made specifically for TEENAGERS then you're a moron.

I read it as 90% of music was made for a particular audience in mind... not just teenagers, could be anybody.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by mr dave

whatever boo boo. if you really believe 90% of the music that exists was made specifically for TEENAGERS then you're a moron.

RATM was the soundtrack for the teenagers who believed they were too smart and in touch with the world for marilyn manson. that's not to say their entire audience fit that category but it definitely made up a very large portion.

You're wrong. The majority of people who start bands are young. The majority of music buyers are young. It makes a lot of sense.

That other 90% would be Jazz, Classical, Folk, Prog, crap like that, I dunno maybe I'm wrong to bunch all that into a measly 10% but then you have a lot more music thats marketed to a younger audience.

You have...

Punk, marketed primarly to teenagers
Metal, marketed primarly to teenagers
Hip Hop, marketed primarly to teenagers
Emo and Goth Rock, marketed primarly to teenagers
Pop, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Electronic music, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Alternative rock music, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Reggae and Ska when they were established, mostly popular with teenagers.

Rock N Roll in the 50s? You guessed it, teenagers. R&B and Motown? Yep teenagers. Psychedelic rock, Glam Rock, Funk, Disco, New Wave, Grunge, Britpop. Teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers.

Almost all genres of music begin with a youth related movement. Because teens are more interested in finding (and creating) new music than older musicgoers.

So yeah, that was a bad example and it wont fly here. I don't think you trolling this thread is at all amusing either.

[Whatsitoosit]

Now I see where you were going with that... makes a lot of sense actually, anything I am into today chances are I got into it when I was a teenager. That's when a person is more open to new things anyway... which would probably explain why I just can't get into country music at the age of 29.

I think most Rage songs have a deeper intelligence then ordinary pop songs though, I still can't see it as contrived crap.

[boo boo]

I like some country. Johnny Cash and Hank Williams are awesome.

And I like some of Neil Young, The Grateful Dead and Wilcos country influenced stuff.

I can't stand all the crap that calls itself country nowadays however.

I like Bluegrass a lot though. And I'm a proud owner of a Banjo.

[Whatsitoosit]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I like some country. Johnny Cash and Hank Williams are awesome.

And I like some of Neil Young, The Grateful Dead and Wilcos country influenced stuff.

I can't stand all the crap that calls itself country nowadays however.

I like Bluegrass a lot though. And I'm a proud owner of a Banjo.

ya know I never put Johnny Cash in the Country category... I like me some Cash from time to time. I just never got into the whiny, drawn out story type country.

To get back on topic, when it comes to Rage, what grabs me before anything else is the simplicity of their music... a grooving beat, a catchy riff and the production is awesome. Zack's vocals just topped it off and gave them a very unique sound, this is the part of a band that can't be contrived... either you sound different or you sound the same, and Rage sounded different.

[mr dave]

Originally Posted by boo boo

You're wrong. The majority of people who start bands are young. The majority of music buyers are young. It makes a lot of sense.

That other 90% would be Jazz, Classical, Folk, Prog, crap like that, I dunno maybe I'm wrong to bunch all that into a measly 10% but then you have a lot more music thats marketed to a younger audience.

You have...

Punk, marketed primarly to teenagers
Metal, marketed primarly to teenagers
Hip Hop, marketed primarly to teenagers
Emo and Goth Rock, marketed primarly to teenagers
Pop, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Electronic music, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Alternative rock music, marketed primarly to teenagers.
Reggae and Ska when they were established, mostly popular with teenagers.

Rock N Roll in the 50s? You guessed it, teenagers. R&B and Motown? Yep teenagers. Psychedelic rock, Glam Rock, Funk, Disco, New Wave, Grunge, Britpop. Teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers teenagers.

Almost all genres of music begin with a youth related movement. Because teens are more interested in finding (and creating) new music than older musicgoers.

So yeah, that was a bad example and it wont fly here. I don't think you trolling this thread is at all amusing either.

my bad. i didn't realize that 90% of music in existence was created in the last 50 years. i also didn't realize that the existence of said music was only measurable in sales...

while i obviously hurt your feelings by crapping on RATM and claiming they made their music for a specific adolescent demographic. i really do think they're a crap band (is having a view that differs from yours really trolling?).

i also really think tom morello is a crap guitar player. take away his solos and what do you have? a pissed off version of the 80s era red hot chili peppers? a funked up sabbath riff? his work with audioslave was equally boring and his solos usually sound forced and out of place within the context of the song. he said it himself in interviews that he should probably just have been playing a synth but it didn't look as cool.

admittedly the work he's accomplished with his effects is impressive but does it really make him a good guitarist? or just an innovative sound manipulator? could he really distinguish himself if you just gave him an acoustic guitar and said 'GO!' ?

as for being contrived their message always seemed too forced to me. it was like theused2Lguy's threads about 'educating' people about foxnews. their music always struck me as 'don't do what they want you to do, do what i'm telling you to do', which does strike me as contrived. screaming about disney while being signed to sony seemed a little off to me.

[Whatsitoosit]

I can respect that... I just enjoy listening to some of their tunes.

[mr dave]

Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

I can respect that... I just enjoy listening to some of their tunes.

by all means fill your boots. i like my fair amount of cheese every now and again too hehehe

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by mr dave

while i obviously hurt your feelings by crapping on RATM and claiming they made their music for a specific adolescent demographic. i really do think they're a crap band (is having a view that differs from yours really trolling?).

No but saying crap about a band on their own thread and insulting anyone that disagrees with you is.

i also really think tom morello is a crap guitar player. take away his solos and what do you have? a pissed off version of the 80s era red hot chili peppers?

The solo in Settle for Nothing, listen to it and tell me that.

a funked up sabbath riff? his work with audioslave was equally boring and his solos usually sound forced and out of place within the context of the song. he said it himself in interviews that he should probably just have been playing a synth but it didn't look as cool.

Oh I geert it, hez a bad geetarist cuz he dur makes sounds dat aint supposered to com out of a geetar, ughhhh

admittedly the work he's accomplished with his effects is impressive but does it really make him a good guitarist? or just an innovative sound manipulator? could he really distinguish himself if you just gave him an acoustic guitar and said 'GO!' ?

Funny, thats what I thought a good guitarist was. Not just some muso who wanks his f*cking ass off.

as for being contrived their message always seemed too forced to me. it was like theused2Lguy's threads about 'educating' people about foxnews. their music always struck me as 'don't do what they want you to do, do what i'm telling you to do', which does strike me as contrived. screaming about disney while being signed to sony seemed a little off to me.

I like them more for the music and the energy of their performances and the conviction of La Rochas vocals, I respect their political views but I don't always agree with them, particularly their leanings toward Marxism.

And I think Morello gave a pretty reasonable justification for them being signed to sony. I mean if you want people to hear your message then why not use the biggest platform you can find?

And even if its about money I don't really care, everyone wants money.

[Piss Me Off]

Morrello's solo's just get boring after a while, innovative and technical yeah yeah, but he does it to death in every song.
No problem with the riffs though, they're great.