System of a Down (lyrics, alternative, country, dance, bass)

Merkaba · 05-27-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

And RATM are hella better than SOAD.

...............Shut up Urban.

And reason number one is because Tim Commerford pwns with the bass. It's all about the bass.

................Shut up Urban

boo boo · 05-27-2006, 09:06 PM

Commerford isn't amazing, but he is very underrated.... He's great with the slap too.

Merkaba · 05-27-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Commerford isn't amazing, but he is very underrated.... He's great with the slap too.

Not amazing, but really enjoyable and suprisingly noticible for a bass player in a band.

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

I agree with whoever said they were like Playskool My First Political Band.
I'll say it again, if you want good politics in your music, I just can't find it in rock music. Rap is tenfold greater in my opinion when it comes to producing artists who can articulate a political message. Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, JMT. They all do it so much better than SOAD or RATM could ever do.
Country/Folk music also produces musicians who are just so much better at poltical music. Nu Metal is laughable, not political.

I think there is a solid reason why a decent political message is hard to come by in a rock song. Rap artists can practically fire off an entire essay in under 4 minutes on comprehensive politics. Now if we try to stick Immortal Technique's comprehensive political lyrics into a rock song (nu-metal or not), it's not going to work. It would be a fifteen minute song by which time radio stations and listeners around the world will have gone back to Craig David.

The reason being there is a key difference between Rap and practically anything else, and thats the fact that 'anything else' often take the time to sing clearly, therefore not producing 40 words a minute, therefore often not producing a detailed argument in 4 minutes.

With Rock or Nu-Metal or whatever, it is far harder to convey a comprehensive message in such a limited time, which means the lyrics, if they're to be any good, will need to be either very cryptic in that the listener not only has to think about them, but the listener will form their own ideas of things. Or alternatively, the lyrics need to be refreshing, and touch on points that are new and aren't heard of on the Cletus bandwagon of cliched bands.

Bands like SOAD and Greenday are just having their say on things, and while it is cheesy to those that have heard it all before, and have heard better, it would take some serious talent to create something new and clever that impresses us lyrically and politically.

Don't expect to find a great political message from any rock song, just be impressed if you do.

Blain · 06-26-2006, 06:34 AM

Bump =D

I love this band with all my heart, and reading this thread I'm a bit confused, in other threads people hated Mezmerize/Hypnotize but in this one people love them WTF^^. Anyways my favourite songs are Science, Highway Song, Innervision and Sugar.

Something I want to be angry with S.O.A.D about now though-.- The other day I was in a music store and I noticed S.O.A.D and I noticed 1 or 2 new CD's and I was a little bit pissed off to see that they brought out a CD with their songs Metro, Snowblind and Marmelade and a few live tracks also a "rare" video clip of Lonely Day. Now sure if this was a sellout pop artist I really wouldn't give a flyin **** but this is S.O.A.D we're talking about I mean they can do better. Another example: They also made a mix type of CD... What the hell was the point?! It just had all their greatest songs like Spiders, Aerials, Chop Suey etc.

I might be ranting but I'm a bit pissed off that they would be reduced to that level

EDIT: Sorry I just read the last couple of pages now I see that alot of you hate those albums now

Merkaba · 06-26-2006, 07:13 AM

Yeah Mesmerize had a couple of moments but Hypnotise just plain sucked.

And why the fuck am I still getting emails about this damn thread, I've unsubscribed from it about 7 times now.

Raine · 06-26-2006, 11:20 AM

System of a Down.
Uggh.

They were better a few years ago back when Toxicity came out. Theyw ere at their peak then. This new stuff Mesmerize and Hypnotize. . . it has the same System feel to it but. . .
The instrumentals are still great. But something about the songs just . . .

But the good thing is, they still rock live. I saw them sometime last year and they still know how to do a good show.

So anybody going to Ozzfest to see them?

Kripes · 06-26-2006, 02:26 PM

They really were better with "Toxicity" and beforehand, but their stuff now is horrible. Good thing they're on a several year hiatus after Ozzfest. I hate Daron's voice.

Raine · 06-26-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kripes

They really were better with "Toxicity" and beforehand, but their stuff now is horrible. Good thing they're on a several year hiatus after Ozzfest. I hate Daron's voice.

I heard they were gonna start some side projects.

And I personally think they're best album was their self titled System of a Down
Toxicity was just them when they reacher a certain peak in their career and were able to appeal to a larger audience

Alo · 06-26-2006, 02:41 PM

There ok, I copied their newest album, listened a few times, and now it's under my bed rotting away. Though I still listen to Toxicity from time to time.

Raine · 06-26-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alo

There ok, I copied their newest album, listened a few times, and now it's under my bed rotting away. Though I still listen to Toxicity from time to time.

Yeahccause Toxicity is good.
Hypnotize, Mesmerize they suck. Lyrically they've regressed.
I know I'm not the only one ti sense this, but haven't you guys noticed that the lyrics to Mesmerize and Hypnotize are rather catchy?
I liked their stuff when it didn't have that annoying catchiness to it.
I think that's why Mesmerize and Hypnotize aren't as appealing as their earlier stuff. It's like an experiment that blew up in their face or something

06-26-2006, 07:13 AM	#895 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Yeah Mesmerize had a couple of moments but Hypnotise just plain sucked. And why the fuck am I still getting emails about this damn thread, I've unsubscribed from it about 7 times now. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

06-26-2006, 11:20 AM	#896 (permalink)
Raine Full-Time Hellion Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: PA Posts: 1,531	System of a Down. Uggh. They were better a few years ago back when Toxicity came out. Theyw ere at their peak then. This new stuff Mesmerize and Hypnotize. . . it has the same System feel to it but. . . The instrumentals are still great. But something about the songs just . . . But the good thing is, they still rock live. I saw them sometime last year and they still know how to do a good show. So anybody going to Ozzfest to see them? __________________ A pair of powerful spectacles has sometimes sufficed to cure a person in love. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

06-26-2006, 02:41 PM	#899 (permalink)
Alo Scarf Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 715	There ok, I copied their newest album, listened a few times, and now it's under my bed rotting away. Though I still listen to Toxicity from time to time. __________________ I rocked my shoelaces untied

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06-26-2006, 06:34 AM	#894 (permalink)
Blain w0rd Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Suva, Fiji Posts: 1,034	Bump =D I love this band with all my heart, and reading this thread I'm a bit confused, in other threads people hated Mezmerize/Hypnotize but in this one people love them WTF^^. Anyways my favourite songs are Science, Highway Song, Innervision and Sugar. Something I want to be angry with S.O.A.D about now though-.- The other day I was in a music store and I noticed S.O.A.D and I noticed 1 or 2 new CD's and I was a little bit pissed off to see that they brought out a CD with their songs Metro, Snowblind and Marmelade and a few live tracks also a "rare" video clip of Lonely Day. Now sure if this was a sellout pop artist I really wouldn't give a flyin **** but this is S.O.A.D we're talking about I mean they can do better. Another example: They also made a mix type of CD... What the hell was the point?! It just had all their greatest songs like Spiders, Aerials, Chop Suey etc. I might be ranting but I'm a bit pissed off that they would be reduced to that level EDIT: Sorry I just read the last couple of pages now I see that alot of you hate those albums now

06-26-2006, 02:26 PM	#897 (permalink)
Kripes CallingToAllUnbelievers Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 199	They really were better with "Toxicity" and beforehand, but their stuff now is horrible. Good thing they're on a several year hiatus after Ozzfest. I hate Daron's voice.