The Ripper
 

Just wondering what people thoughts are on the new Iced Earth vocalist. In my opinion he isn't as talented as Barlow, but he is really good and made the Gettysburg trilogy. He did exceptionally well considering the material was written to be song by a guy with far different vocal capabilities from himself, and I am really looking forward to the Something Wicked This Way Comes concept album.

Also if you like Owens, check out his side project Beyond Fear, its really good, but don't expect Iced Earth sounding stuff.

He's quite a good singer. He was with Priest for a while

he was able to fill the boots of metal legend Rob halford in Judas priest for a few years, so I think that speaks volumes about his vocal abilities.

I don't think the Judas Priest reunion with ROb garnered quite teh successs they hopes it would. Perhaps they shoulda kept owens and let halford continue his solo thing, which was soundign mroe liike old Priest than Priest did, in my opinion,

Didn't care for him in Priest, myself.

It doesn't really matter because nobody in Iced Earth is talented anyway. They should really pack it up and sign autographs for five bucks at Warhammer tournaments.

I mean that in the nicest way possible http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...iningDemon.gif

I gave it to you last week

You are one seriously brainf*cked piece of sh*t, aren't you:crazy:

But.... Jon Schaffer.

Do you listen to grindcore or other forms of black metal?

:laughing:

Oh stop my sides ache.

Yes, Iced Earth seems to be the lowest form of the breed

well, contrary to what you may think, Judas Priest WAS a successful touring act, even without Rob Halford.

Hmmm, when you say that it almost seems as if you are calling Iced Earth Grindcore/Black Metal, so I'm going to assume I missinterpreted that.

But it would seem that the rule holds, me and a friend of mine came up with a theory which so far has proven true for all but one kid, which is that metal heads who listen to Iced Earth and don't like it, like Grindcore and other forms of Black Metal. I suppose someone actually singing is just too much to handle, but it's okay, I guess there is some appeal in listening to Cookie Monster deep throat a microphone.

wow...Iced Earth a ****ing Black metal band?

Haha...hahhahahaa
lmao

You should be on your knees thanking Iced Earth for keeping real metal around. Not falsely accusing them of being a damn black metal band. If you dont like them, thats fine, i dont really care, but it would be like me saying that the beatles are a rap band...seriously.

correct

So than what are they the worst kind of breed of? We were talking about black metal, so therefore that would be the automatic association of what we last said... but nevermind, we wouldn't want to debate over any opinions on this forum, that would be boring. (sarcasm)

I think that the album is ok....I am not totally a big fan though -.-

Which album, Beyond Fear, or The Glorious Burden?

He did fairly well on The Glorious Burden. I thought that his vocals clashed a lot though. Hopefully their next album will be better suited for his voice.

As far as Ripper and Priest, I thought he did a good job, and apparently I'm the only person that thought Demolition was pretty good.

Beyond Fear came out today, its a pretty good album.
I think Glorious Burden is far better though.

The vocals clashed mainly because the album was written for Barlow, who has a different voice than the Ripper, but I can't see Matt doing a better job on the Gettysburg trilogy than Tim did, I can't wait for the Something Wicked concept album, they will finally be using him to his full potential.

He was nearly like the Brian Johnson compared to Halford/Bon Scott in some ways.At the same time, Brian Johnson, atleast I.M.O., did a better job carrying on with AC/DC than Tim did for Judas Priest.Tim was great, but nobody will ever be as great as Halford, period!!!:beer:

Yes indeed...I loved both of those Halford albums!!!Those musicians in Halford were all great metal/hard-rock performers.The funny thing is that they were actually more metal than Judas Priest, ya know?I mean, I fu(kin' love Judas Priest and I'm definitely not trying to put them down, but they are honestly more of a hard-rock band than a dark, brutal metal one.Either way Halford (the man) is fu(kin' incredible and that is why we call him the Metal God!!!

I've never actually heard any of Halford's solo stuff, but I agree that Priest are more hard rock than metal. I would class painkiller as a metal album though.

Yes, painkiller has a little bit more of a metal flavor to it than some of the others.I love painkiller, but I'm also really into many of priests other songs including "hot rockin'" and "on the run."Even the song "metal gods" is hard-rock though, not metal, ya hear?:laughing: In closing, get both of Halford's (the band) albums!!!They are way more better than just some artists cool side project, cheers!!!:beer:

cool, I'll look out for them. Are there only two? One of them is called the Crucible isn't it? Painkiller is my favourite album and yeah, ironically, the song Metal Gods isn't very metal. Still, I suppose at that time it would have been . :D

Judas Preist ain`t metal now?


****ing hell whats wrong with kids these days

I would class them as metal but, compared with metal now, they aren't very heavy that's all.

Makes no difference.

You don`t hear people saying James Brown isn`t funk anymore because the Red Hot Chili Peppers are heavier.

True. I already said they were metal :)
I was just agreeing with Dustr that some of their songs are more hard rock than metal. They're still a metal band though.

I'm not accusing you of thinking this, but many seem to believe that if you do not crank the distortion on a Mesa Rectifier to 11, play nothing but power chords and fast pick your palm-muted low E string, you are not 'heavy'. Judas Priest, in the 70's, did not use any more distortion than bands like Led Zeppelin did, but they were one of the heaviest bands of the era. Heaviness is something that emanates from the music itself, and really has nothing to do with what equipment is being used to formulate the said music.

Judas Priest is heavier than a lot of metal bands nowadays.

Yeah, they were heavy for that era but they're not considered to be very heavy now. I agree with your point that they are heavy considering their lack of distortion though.
They probably are heavier than some metal bands today as well. More importantly, they're much more talented than lots of them.
They're a brilliant band anyway. :D

I think about the time frame when I call something metal. For instance by todays standards a lot of bands in the 70's aren't heavy, but for the time they were the heaviest music around.

Never heard anything from Iced Earth. Can you suggest a few songs that I could listen to and see what they are like?

Yes, just 2, but there is also a live album that they did.I think it's called Live : Insurrection or something like that.Anyways, their 2 studio albums (Resurrection and Crucible) are fu(kin' amazing!!!To put it in other words, as hard as it may seem to say/believe, I'd rather have Halford's 2 solo albums if I had the choice between them and the new album/painkiller combo!!!Good thing I have them all though, so...............:beer:

Hey bud, R.H.C.P. don't have the same sound (or even style) as James Brown.If you want to hear a little more soul and classic funk, then you'd listen to James Brown; if you wanted to hear something that was funky, fast and rocked hard, then you'd listen to R.H.C.P., ya know?I'm influenced by both bands and both of them are some of my favorite funk-based artists out there.James Brown will always be funky (atleast his past records) and Rob Halford will always be known as the Metal God.Judas Priest and Black Sabbath are pretty much the bands that originated/created heavy metal and I wouldn't take either out of my favorite metal (or even hard-rock) bands list, ya hear?Judas Priest has the intensity, emotion and incredible solo's to put them up as a metal band, but Black Sabbath had more of a darker, demonic/evil sound that is truly more of the defining sound of where metal came from.As for me and the others in this slight argument have already said, the Painkiller album is more of a darker, heavier style of hard-rock/metal for the band, so there's no denying that that sound produces a true metal sound!!!As I already said, I fu(kin' love Judas Priest and would put them on either a metal or hard-rock favorites list, so don't be offended if you are!!!Hard-rock pretty much is metal in a sense with the only possible differences being that metal usually has a darker, heavier sound with...in some cases...growling lyrics talking about satanic/evil things, ya see?Do ya understand why Judas Priest is more of a hard-rock band now?

...And that's a fact!!!I'd rather hear the worst Judas Priest albums than some of the best of what the new self proclaimed "innovative" bands are doing now.:laughing: At the same time, there are a few exceptions/impressive bands out today, so I always keep my ears open.

Yeah, agreed

cool. I'll have to look out for them then. I always thought that priest would be much much better so I never really bothered with halford's solo stuff. :D

Not JUDAS PRISET fan bt I think Ripper vocals are weak compared to ROB HALFORDS