The Metal Education Thread (lyrics, cds, single, genre, albums)

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-11-2006, 12:03 PM

I did a search on google , I don`t pretend this to be a definitive answer but.....

Results for search 'Black Sabbath Doom Rock' - 628,000
Results for search 'Black Sabbath Heavy Metal - 2,730,000

Muzak · 01-11-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I did a search on google , I don`t pretend this to be a definitive answer but.....

Results for search 'Black Sabbath Doom Rock' - 628,000
Results for search 'Black Sabbath Heavy Metal - 2,730,000

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lan...bath+Doom+rock

Continuing my opinion that Doom Metal would better describe Black Sabbath than the General term "Heavy Metal". I compared Doom Metal vs. Doom Rock.

Black Sabbath Doom Metal-858,000 results
Black Sabbath Doom rock-908,000 results

But like you said, take this with a grain of salt.

Merkaba · 01-11-2006, 03:47 PM

I personally think it's wrong to modify a bands genre to fit the times.

It's playing around with history. A band may fit the term 'rock' more so then 'metal' these days, but don't take anything away from what it was at the time.

Pretend in 20years time todays emo became known as pure pop. And your kids are running around getting into all this "early" pop which was once emo. You wouldn't have a bar of it would you? You'd stand upright and argue that it is some of the original early emo. And then you'd proceed to ram Britney down their throats telling them that thats true early pop.

Point being, if when the music first came out it was one genre, it doesn't mean it changes over time into another genre. At least say it was the earliest form of such and such genre, giving it some honesty to what it once was.

Wild7Dustr · 01-12-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

I agree with you.

Who said they were?

I said they were not metal and, therefore, shouldn't be mentioned in this thread that is based all around metal, ya see?

The Overlord · 01-12-2006, 07:00 AM

i agree totally with merkaba two or three posts up Black SAbbath for there time were really heavy and doom metal or doom rock did not exist they may exist now and back catergorising SAbbath may work that way but why back catergorise they were metal then if it wasnt for them so many bands would never have started and been the metal bands as we know. In 30 years time slayer might be considered soft rock does that mean that there not metal now??
The actual term "heavy metal" was from a quote made by some reviewer of a gig by led zepplen, so if you wanted to really split hairs they would be the premier metal band, personally i dont want that to be true but such is life

Theres been some debate in my circle about genres, now pretending that metal isnt just metal could someone please define the following

DAmaged especially the albums: do not spit and token remedies research what is this? its not grind its not death metal, but its really heavy and really fast and exceptionatly brutal the drummer is debatedly one of the best.
Fantomas they are heavy (****ing heavy live) they have one of the most influnential metal drummers but they arnt considered metal so what are they??

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-12-2006, 12:04 PM

In my mind if it sounds like metal it IS metal.

I have more important things to do that invent pointless sub genres.

sleepy jack · 01-12-2006, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

In my mind if it sounds like metal it IS metal.

I have more important things to do that invent pointless sub genres.

Like posting on an internet forum?

and i think this subject needs dropped, if rise hasn't changed his mine quoting a 100 more sites wont do crap and i agree with rob.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-12-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

Like posting on an internet forum?

Yes exactly that , well done

franscar · 01-12-2006, 12:53 PM

Goregrind?

Someone made that up and is now laughing his head off at people taking it seriously, right? For the love of Satan, seeing as this is metal after all, what is to possibly be gained by over-defining EVERYTHING?

Oh, and Sabbath are metal. Anyone who spent the 70's wearing a leather and headbanging will tell you that.

rob_the_vile · 01-13-2006, 08:14 PM

i dont think honestly that metal has been over defined, bands need to use different ideas in order to stand out from others!

i dont even pretend to know the difference between gore metal and goregrind, but i can see that to people that are more into that type of music there must be!

for instace, i like pagan black metal, celtic black metal, black metal. viking black metal. symphonic black metal. to people that dont listen too a lot of black metal that may seem like over classification, but too me i know that if i buy a pagan black metal Cd ill be getting summat different than if i buy a celtic black metal cd or a symphonic black metal Cd

01-11-2006, 12:03 PM	#81 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I did a search on google , I don`t pretend this to be a definitive answer but..... Results for search 'Black Sabbath Doom Rock' - 628,000 Results for search 'Black Sabbath Heavy Metal - 2,730,000 __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-11-2006, 03:47 PM	#83 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	I personally think it's wrong to modify a bands genre to fit the times. It's playing around with history. A band may fit the term 'rock' more so then 'metal' these days, but don't take anything away from what it was at the time. Pretend in 20years time todays emo became known as pure pop. And your kids are running around getting into all this "early" pop which was once emo. You wouldn't have a bar of it would you? You'd stand upright and argue that it is some of the original early emo. And then you'd proceed to ram Britney down their throats telling them that thats true early pop. Point being, if when the music first came out it was one genre, it doesn't mean it changes over time into another genre. At least say it was the earliest form of such and such genre, giving it some honesty to what it once was. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

01-12-2006, 12:04 PM	#86 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	In my mind if it sounds like metal it IS metal. I have more important things to do that invent pointless sub genres. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

01-12-2006, 12:53 PM	#89 (permalink)
franscar Honky Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 665	Goregrind? Someone made that up and is now laughing his head off at people taking it seriously, right? For the love of Satan, seeing as this is metal after all, what is to possibly be gained by over-defining EVERYTHING? Oh, and Sabbath are metal. Anyone who spent the 70's wearing a leather and headbanging will tell you that. __________________ Franscar is metal. You are not.

01-13-2006, 08:14 PM	#90 (permalink)
rob_the_vile Groupie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Widnes Posts: 23	i dont think honestly that metal has been over defined, bands need to use different ideas in order to stand out from others! i dont even pretend to know the difference between gore metal and goregrind, but i can see that to people that are more into that type of music there must be! for instace, i like pagan black metal, celtic black metal, black metal. viking black metal. symphonic black metal. to people that dont listen too a lot of black metal that may seem like over classification, but too me i know that if i buy a pagan black metal Cd ill be getting summat different than if i buy a celtic black metal cd or a symphonic black metal Cd __________________ \m/

01-12-2006, 07:00 AM	#85 (permalink)
The Overlord Groupie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	i agree totally with merkaba two or three posts up Black SAbbath for there time were really heavy and doom metal or doom rock did not exist they may exist now and back catergorising SAbbath may work that way but why back catergorise they were metal then if it wasnt for them so many bands would never have started and been the metal bands as we know. In 30 years time slayer might be considered soft rock does that mean that there not metal now?? The actual term "heavy metal" was from a quote made by some reviewer of a gig by led zepplen, so if you wanted to really split hairs they would be the premier metal band, personally i dont want that to be true but such is life Theres been some debate in my circle about genres, now pretending that metal isnt just metal could someone please define the following DAmaged especially the albums: do not spit and token remedies research what is this? its not grind its not death metal, but its really heavy and really fast and exceptionatly brutal the drummer is debatedly one of the best. Fantomas they are heavy (****ing heavy live) they have one of the most influnential metal drummers but they arnt considered metal so what are they??