The Metal Education Thread (rock, genre, albums, magazine, review)

riseagainstrocks · 01-10-2006, 08:10 PM

Besides, Priest formed in '71. Two years before Sabbath Bloody Sabbath came out. Granted the first album wasn't published till '74, but they were playing all over England before then. I don't know for sure, but unless it was straight covers, they gave birth to heavy metal.

Sabbath was a huge influence on the style. But musically they were very borderline. Later albums could be considered metal, however, when it mattered they were not.

Music Man · 01-10-2006, 08:13 PM

BNRMetal.com:

"Black Sabbath is one of the oldest and most well-known metal bands of all time, but they are much more than that -- they are the single most important band in the history of heavy metal, virtually defining the genre with the eight Ozzy-era albums (Black Sabbath through Never Say Die) of the seventies. As such, guitarist Tony Iommi might well be considered the father of the metal guitar riff, his distinctive style really unlike anyone else at the time, influencing an infinite number of guitarists that have followed. And they achieved their initial fame without major airplay, as really only "Paranoid" was a bonafide hit at the time. But those 70's releases contain some of the finest metal songs ever"

http://www.bnrmetal.com/groups/blsa.htm

riseagainstrocks · 01-10-2006, 08:17 PM

You posting blurbs from internet sites is not going to change my mind.

sleepy jack · 01-10-2006, 08:18 PM

Ok, quit quoteing random sites, it really doesn't help your case and if thats all you can do just drop it.

Music Man · 01-10-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

"Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment."

--Rob Halford of Judas Priest

Anybody who says Black Sabbath isn't metal, is merely in denial of the hard truth. They may fool themselves into believing Sabbath isn't metal, but they aren't going to fool Rob Halford.

Wild7Dustr · 01-10-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by half_baked87

fantastic then, in that case, i've been to like omg 12039 concerts and jammed with professionals, traveled through time, met jimi hendrix and totally skooled him ho durrrrrrrrrrp! i asked if you played an intsrument not for you're life story asshat. im glad you've been to so many concerts, cas TAHT MAEKS U A RAWKER

YA KNOW?

Well, I was trying to make it more "simple" for a person like you to understand.

Don't try to call yourself intelligent, because you obviously didn't know from the start, duh!!!I'm starting to question if you have learned anything yet...
...Aah, who cares?There are many "retarded person" hospitals to "take care" of someone as retarded as you...
...Have a nice day in your pathetic life, kiddo!!!

Wild7Dustr · 01-10-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

And what Green Day thinks they are or aren't, has absolutely nothing to do with Black Sabbath. You're comparing apples and oranges, so your reasoning is flawed.

Well, "apples and oranges" are both good fruits to this day!!!

Green Day was once good, but has "rotten" with age!!!

By the way, Green Day is not metal!!!

Music Man · 01-10-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild7Dustr

By the way, Green Day is not metal!!!

I agree with you.

Who said they were?

Muzak · 01-11-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Music Man

You conveniently failed to mention my other sources--All Music Guide, the Grammy Awards, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone Magazine.

NONE of which are public sources where people can register and edit articles.

So your attempt to "poison the well" fails. You've still provided no credible sources to support your unsubstantiated opinion.

I only mentioned Wikipedia and I wasn't "poisining the well" I was only saying Wikipedia would not be a good source for said reason.

rob_the_vile · 01-11-2006, 06:58 AM

Sabbath were heavy metal, in the late 1970s, 1980s yes, but as has been stated in the past things change, nowadays sabbath would (in my opinion) be regarded as heavy rock when compared to heavy metal which developed from it

take manowar, formed in the late 70s and were probaly influenced in some part by sabbath, joey di maio was working as sabbaths road crew when they decided to form manowar! but they took those influences along with others to develop the heavy metal sound of today, while sabbath may have been called heavy metal back then, it was because there was nothing to compare it too! an to them it was heavy! now they would be considered heavy rock.

all you have to do is listen to what manowar/maiden/saxon were releasing at the same time as sabbath to notice a distinct difference!

all these things you have been quoting from magazines and websites may be saying they are heavy metal, but think about it if you were a metal magazine, and there was a band as succesful as sabbath out there, wouldnt you want to bend the truth just a little bit so you could include them! it happens.. ive even seen metal hammer refer to bullet for my valentine (who for the record i despise) as thrash! now if someone found that on the web they could quote that easily enough and not think anything of it!

01-10-2006, 08:10 PM	#71 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	Besides, Priest formed in '71. Two years before Sabbath Bloody Sabbath came out. Granted the first album wasn't published till '74, but they were playing all over England before then. I don't know for sure, but unless it was straight covers, they gave birth to heavy metal. Sabbath was a huge influence on the style. But musically they were very borderline. Later albums could be considered metal, however, when it mattered they were not. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-10-2006, 08:17 PM	#73 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	You posting blurbs from internet sites is not going to change my mind. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-11-2006, 06:58 AM	#80 (permalink)
rob_the_vile Groupie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Widnes Posts: 23	Sabbath were heavy metal, in the late 1970s, 1980s yes, but as has been stated in the past things change, nowadays sabbath would (in my opinion) be regarded as heavy rock when compared to heavy metal which developed from it take manowar, formed in the late 70s and were probaly influenced in some part by sabbath, joey di maio was working as sabbaths road crew when they decided to form manowar! but they took those influences along with others to develop the heavy metal sound of today, while sabbath may have been called heavy metal back then, it was because there was nothing to compare it too! an to them it was heavy! now they would be considered heavy rock. all you have to do is listen to what manowar/maiden/saxon were releasing at the same time as sabbath to notice a distinct difference! all these things you have been quoting from magazines and websites may be saying they are heavy metal, but think about it if you were a metal magazine, and there was a band as succesful as sabbath out there, wouldnt you want to bend the truth just a little bit so you could include them! it happens.. ive even seen metal hammer refer to bullet for my valentine (who for the record i despise) as thrash! now if someone found that on the web they could quote that easily enough and not think anything of it! __________________ \m/

01-10-2006, 08:13 PM	#72 (permalink)
Music Man Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 202	BNRMetal.com: "Black Sabbath is one of the oldest and most well-known metal bands of all time, but they are much more than that -- they are the single most important band in the history of heavy metal, virtually defining the genre with the eight Ozzy-era albums (Black Sabbath through Never Say Die) of the seventies. As such, guitarist Tony Iommi might well be considered the father of the metal guitar riff, his distinctive style really unlike anyone else at the time, influencing an infinite number of guitarists that have followed. And they achieved their initial fame without major airplay, as really only "Paranoid" was a bonafide hit at the time. But those 70's releases contain some of the finest metal songs ever" http://www.bnrmetal.com/groups/blsa.htm