The Metal Education Thread (punk, rock, genre, fan, Metalhead)

[sleepy jack]

Umm whatever about the nile part.
Its a genre talent doesn't matter in classfying the actual sound does.
And that generalization about hair metal and nu metal talent was stupid.
and Joey Jordison>>>Just about every hair metal drummer.

[Merkaba]

Nu-metal is talentless?

Thats a poor statement. Particularly coming from someone who gets all creamy over Sevendust.

[half_baked87]

Originally Posted by Wild7Dustr

I know, man!!!I checked out what was said and would agree that it probally is more hardrock.The main difference between hair metal and numetal, though, is that hair metal has talented musicians and numetal simply doesn't!!!

I also gotta say that I agree with the person mentioning Celtic Frost before!!!They were great for sure.

Along with that, I'd like to mention Nile and see what you guys might think their "style" is.As far as I'm concerned, Nile should be called "Egyptian Metal", ya know?

numetal has talent. i was just suggesting hair metal because it has the owrd metal in it and its supposed to be a history of metal. personally, i hate the ****. and i've heard nile before, its almost unlistenable. its death metal.

[fidelityfiend]

I think the overall synopsis is well done. I've been a metalhead for close to 30years now and would like you to categorize the following bands that I haven't seen mentioned. I just buzzed through this thread so forgive me if I overlooked a couple.
Anthrax / Savatage / Dio / Clawhammer / Meshuggah (?) / Voivod
Just curious where you see these fitting in.

Lates.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Hmmm nothing about the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal then.

unusual considering if it wasn`t for that metal probably would have been killed off by punk.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Also people`s perception of metal changed in the mid 80s when thrash bands came along.Before then bands like Led Zeppelin , Rainbow , Thin Lizzy and pretty much everything you now call 'classic rock' was considered metal , yes even Status Quo , who were regually mentioned in metal magazines in the 80s.

[Wild7Dustr]

Originally Posted by half_baked87

numetal has talent. i was just suggesting hair metal because it has the owrd metal in it and its supposed to be a history of metal. personally, i hate the ****. and i've heard nile before, its almost unlistenable. its death metal.

So then, I guess none of you guys have ever heard a solo before, huh? Since you've never hear Nile before, how do you think you can say that they're death metal and that they're "almost unlistenable", ya know?Nile may be called a certain type of metal, but they sound like noone else!!!They are musicians that can play creative, fast, intelligent and original music all while creating a new sound.When you say that "it's almost unlistenable", I guess I can believe you somewhat!!! A Numetal fan probally wouldn't be able to listen to or properly understand the speeds of Nile's fast rhythm and lead guitar work, so, because you guys don't understand it, I guess you can call it "unlistenable"!!!Numetal is just a basic rhythm guitar riff at best, along with rapping and continuously sampled beats!!!Rapping is not a "talent" that is really hard to achieve!!! Although it may get fast at times, it doesn't add any intensity, aggression or drive to a hardrock or metal tune and the samples don't make it more hardrockin' either!!!

With hard rock and metal ya gotta "learn do listen...
...instead a be dissin'"

Wow, look, I just rapped there!!!I've mastered the art of rapping, yall bit ches!!!

[cardboard adolescent]

So, what about Math Metal?

Bah, I guess that could be considered a sub-genre of Prog, making it a sub-sub-genre...

I do agree that New Wave of British Heavy Metal deserves a mention.

[The Overlord]

i see what your trying to do and how this is some sort of education for the many people who are trying to understand whats a cool type of sub genre to be into but like all sub genres nay genres it just starts getting stupid. When i was 15 there was a handful of genres in the metal world, thrash, speed, death, black and a few more it didnt take me long to realise that there wasnt much difference between most of the bands yeah sure cannibal corpse sounded heaps different from metallica but its not so drastic that i would make a whole subgenre. sub genres are just a piss weak excuse to copy other bands or to make your band seem different, dont you realise that these genres are mostly invented by the bands who play them and its getting rediculous, the other day i was speaking to the bass player for a very fast very heavy metal band there really good but i asked him what style of metal his band was his reply was oh its a like hatecore with some goregrind and deathcore. what? whats that? but every band does this it makes them think that they are different from their influences.
Black metal and death metal in the early days was bad production yes true but thats because they couldnt afford good production. but look at Dimmu they are now not considered black metal by the purests why because its not all blast beats and scratchy guitars, why would someone just do blastbeats and scratchy guitars if you go to a black metal night all the bands sound the same its boring, music is art, yes even metal and art is about pushing the boundaries not just copying someone else.
So instead of creating these sub genres why not just realise that metal is metal and you like what you like and dislike what you dont like there really isnt much difference between melodic death and death metal. Its not a production thing because some death metal bands have really good production these days.
seriously hard core is pretty much based on the size of the drumkit and the vocals but you put a slightly different vocalist in hard core its then death metal or hate core
So please tell me i think these bands are great at what they do tell me why they belong in different sub genres: DAmaged -token remedies research or do not spit, Blood duster - yeest or st8 out of northcote, slayer- divine intervention how does it differ in genre to god hates us all- fear factory -demanufacture. cryptopsy- whispers or and then youll beg, dimmu -pum, meshuggah, fantomas, the bezerka, strapping young lad - city, testament -demonic.
now all these albums or bands have heavy guitars, extreme drums lyrically they are about all sorts of things, some are really complex but does that make them prog some use samples some sometimes sing cleanly, in the case of damaged his voice is completly differnt from anything.
All these albums share something and that is that they have stood out at one time in my collection all because they offered something i hadnt heared before not because it was the latest death metal album.
So screw sub genres and while were at it screw genres they exist so people, not you, can make money and limit your minds to the possibilities of music

[itchytasty]

Originally Posted by The Overlord

i see what your trying to do and how this is some sort of education for the many people who are trying to understand whats a cool type of sub genre to be into but like all sub genres nay genres it just starts getting stupid.

It does tend to get pointless, but it helps people discover new bands.

the other day i was speaking to the bass player for a very fast very heavy metal band there really good but i asked him what style of metal his band was his reply was oh its a like hatecore with some goregrind and deathcore. what? whats that? but every band does this it makes them think that they are different from their influences.

That's one sign of a useless band: making up useless genres. The only one there that works is Goregrind.

now all these albums or bands have heavy guitars, extreme drums lyrically they are about all sorts of things, some are really complex but does that make them prog some use samples some sometimes sing cleanly, in the case of damaged his voice is completly differnt from anything.

All these albums share something and that is that they have stood out at one time in my collection all because they offered something i hadnt heared before not because it was the latest death metal album.

That's the "metal" part in all of the sub genres. It's just the point they're at on the metal tree that's different.

So screw sub genres and while were at it screw genres they exist so people, not you, can make money and limit your minds to the possibilities of music

I understand what you're saying, but that was a bit much. People can limit what they listen to, it's only a subjective thing anyways, though it is stupid to just listen to one genre.

And metal isn't the place to be to make money, anyways.