The Metal Education Thread (lyric, singer, bass, house, punk)

[riseagainstrocks]

Originally Posted by The Overlord

now with Death metal im confused on how Whisper supremecy and and then youll beg is death metal, the vocals on the most part are not, and lyrically its not about death only the worst singer ever lord worm is death metal and he cant keep up with the band (well neither could desalvo with and then youll beg but it was better than worm).

The music is still the driving force. I am still undecided but to me Disalvo is better. Lord Worm is far too...chaotic in his screams. It doesn't flow well. Granted, Cryptopsy doesn't really write 'flowing' music.

Originally Posted by The Overlord

and meshuggah melodic death?? really? i thought at the gates was melodic death, meshuggah sound nothing like that, vocally its not death metal, and tech wise its too heavy for prog.

It is arguable. I put them with melodic death due to the fact that they sound closer to At the Gates than Morbid Angel. But they could go with Progressive as well. When I restructure the paper, I'll probably put them with either Tech or Avantgard. But as I said, if I hear any good arguements, I'll consider changing my opinion

Originally Posted by The Overlord

yeah im not a huge fan of dimmu either though they do have there moments of shining the orchestras, the bass players vocal parts and such, thats interesting that they are gothic industirial, i heared they were black metal becuase of the satan crap, but i can hear the goth, well no see the goth side pretty clearly but it just looks like more commercial black metal

Dimmu Borgir is more goth than black. But If I had the choice, they'd be put in the '**** metal' section. To be fair, they have some nifty orchestrations, but not enough to overcome the utter lameness of everything else they do.

[rob_the_vile]

I quite like the dimmu stuff, new and old.. i have to agree though that they have strayed from typical black metal, but between that and goth metal id still put them under black metal, probably symphonic black metal.. but i dont really think they could be put under goth metal, but i have a big lack of knowledge when it comes to goth metal, id say goth-metal was stuff like nightwish/within temptation and i dont think dimmu have gone quite that far yet, they do still keep some black metal elements

[The_Juke]

I was always told that Iron Maiden was a Punk band but after gaining popularity became Heavy Metal.

Iron Maiden is probably one of the most inspiring bands in metal history. I talked to lots of young metal bands almost daily and the Iron Maiden is clear in their music.

I like how you say Judas Priest is the start of Heavy Metal. Most people say its Black Sabbath and call Ozzy the God Father of Metal. That is something I have always thought to be a false. I always thought that Black Sabbath was a real dark metal, but lacked an element of Heavy Metal, two guitars and lots of leads with power vocals.. While I like Black Sabbath and Ozzy (most the earlier stuff) I think Black Sabbaths popularity of the older material was for the most part due to Ozzy’s solo carrier. Judas Priest was well established when Blizzard of Oz came out I heard of Sabbath when Heaven and Hell came out with Dio. Like most fans I researched Black Sabbath and discovered that Ozzy was the original singer. The 2 most successful albums from Black Sabbath are Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules.

But it was Judas Priest that really laid the foundation for metal.

In my life Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rush and Led Zeppelin have been the biggest influence on my music.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by The_Juke

I was always told that Iron Maiden was a Punk band but after gaining popularity became Heavy Metal.

Iron Maiden is probably one of the most inspiring bands in metal history. I talked to lots of young metal bands almost daily and the Iron Maiden is clear in their music.

I like how you say Judas Priest is the start of Heavy Metal. Most people say its Black Sabbath and call Ozzy the God Father of Metal. That is something I have always thought to be a false. I always thought that Black Sabbath was a real dark metal, but lacked an element of Heavy Metal, two guitars and lots of leads with power vocals.. While I like Black Sabbath and Ozzy (most the earlier stuff) I think Black Sabbaths popularity of the older material was for the most part due to Ozzy’s solo carrier. Judas Priest was well established when Blizzard of Oz came out I heard of Sabbath when Heaven and Hell came out with Dio. Like most fans I researched Black Sabbath and discovered that Ozzy was the original singer. The 2 most successful albums from Black Sabbath are Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules.

But it was Judas Priest that really laid the foundation for metal.

In my life Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rush and Led Zeppelin have been the biggest influence on my music.

As far as I know, Iron Maiden never did anything like punk. However, I think you might have heard someone comparing Maiden's 3 vocalists. The original vocalist (Paul Di' Anno) was a good singer. I think he might have been influenced by punk himself, but he always had a bit of a punk rock edge to his voice. Maiden didn't really want that; they knew that they'd have to get a better singer if they would be touring with Judas Priest; so they acquired Bruce ****inson.

But the punk rock thing is probably referring to Di' Anno.

[The_Juke]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

As far as I know, Iron Maiden never did anything like punk. However, I think you might have heard someone comparing Maiden's 3 vocalists. The original vocalist (Paul Di' Anno) was a good singer. I think he might have been influenced by punk himself, but he always had a bit of a punk rock edge to his voice. Maiden didn't really want that; they knew that they'd have to get a better singer if they would be touring with Judas Priest; so they acquired Bruce ****inson.

But the punk rock thing is probably referring to Di' Anno.

I was refering to Di' Anno with Iron Maiden, when they played the clubs. Bruce was in Samson at the time. What kind of Metal would Samson be?

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by The_Juke

I was refering to Di' Anno with Iron Maiden, when they played the clubs. Bruce was in Samson at the time. What kind of Metal would Samson be?

Yeah, I meant that the punk thing would probably only be referring to the singer, and not the music. But that's just my impression.

I haven't heard much Samson, but they're probably straight heavy metal.

[The_Juke]

Originally Posted by Seltzer

Yeah, I meant that the punk thing would probably only be referring to the singer, and not the music. But that's just my impression.

I haven't heard much Samson, but they're probably straight heavy metal.

I am realy not sure, I think that songs like Charlotte the Harlot have a defenate Punk sound. But Killers and Murders in the Rue Morge (Spelling) are clearly Heavy Metal.

I think Wikopedia has a nice article on Iron Maiden. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Maiden_(band)


I like what I have heard from Samson "Riding with the Angels" is a jam.
music.allofmp3.com/r2/Samson/Shock_Tactics/group_2602/album_2/mcatalog.shtml?albref=14

[judas_priest]

Originally Posted by The_Juke

In my life Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rush and Led Zeppelin have been the biggest influence on my music.

You've got good taste.

[Shooting Star]

Black sabbath are metal or my world has no meaning. Well, my world has no meaning anyway but Black sabbath are still damn metal. Any band who's frontman bites of bats and doves head is like... Damn skippy.

[Barnard17]

Rush? In the same genre as Opeth?

Come on, if Sabbath aren't Metal there's no chance in hell that Rush are, they're practically the old people in bill caps when you listen to them next to an Opeth song ...