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Alex/ · 07-24-2010, 01:44 PM

Stone Temple Pilots' debut came out in 92, that's a little too soon to be considered "post grunge", since grunge had just picked up.

Violent & Funky · 07-24-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex/

Stone Temple Pilots' debut came out in 92, that's a little too soon to be considered "post grunge", since grunge had just picked up.

Maybe it had just become mainstream, but the Seattle movement was recognized by music people well before then. There's no doubt STP was influenced by those bands but was not originally part of the movement itself...

Alex/ · 07-24-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Maybe it had just become mainstream, but the Seattle movement was recognized by music people well before then. There's no doubt STP was influenced by those bands but was not originally part of the movement itself...

I definitely wouldn't call STP "grunge". But post-grunge is a little much.

**Janszoon** · 07-25-2010, 01:29 AM

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I definitely wouldn't call STP "grunge".

I would, as would anyone else I know who was alive and listening to music back then. They were one of the main grunge bands.

Alex/ · 07-25-2010, 02:19 AM

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I would, as would anyone else I know who was alive and listening to music back then. They were one of the main grunge bands.

I think you'll agree that in retrospect, they hardly deserve to be grouped in with giants like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Nirvana. Not that STP weren't a great band. Their first two albums are 90s classics.

Alex/ · 07-25-2010, 02:50 AM

They were in the second wave, though. Instead of being a highly original and influential group, they were spawned from the big grunge bands, they weren't part of creating the sound or image.

They just hopped on the bandwagon. Which is fine, I like the band. Just saying.

Unknown Soldier · 07-25-2010, 03:04 AM

Hopped on the bandwagon!!! I can see why that could be aimed at STP but they had all the talent to carve out their own niche though and a vocalist to match the brilliance of Cornell, Vedder and Staley. Then there is hopping on the bandwagon like Bush did..............but without any talent of course.

Alex/ · 07-25-2010, 03:12 AM

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Hopped on the bandwagon!!! I can see why that could be aimed at STP but they had all the talent to carve out their own niche though and a vocalist to match the brilliance of Cornell, Vedder and Staley. Then there is hopping on the bandwagon like Bush did..............but without any talent of course.

I'm not saying STP didn't have talent. Weiland was a great vocalist (emphasis on was), and on those first two records they had some really, really great songs.

"Plush" and "Big Empty" specifically.

Violent & Funky · 07-25-2010, 11:20 AM

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Hopped on the bandwagon!!! I can see why that could be aimed at STP but they had all the talent to carve out their own niche though and a vocalist to match the brilliance of Cornell, Vedder and Staley. Then there is hopping on the bandwagon like Bush did..............but without any talent of course.

LOL, praising STP and taking shots at Bush...

duga · 07-26-2010, 11:48 AM

Why is this such a big deal? Who cares if any band was grunge or not? STP started by riding the grunge wave but ended up with their own little area in music. It doesn't quite matter if someone copied another band or not to be considered that kind of music. Smashing Pumpkins were considered grunge because Billy was loosely linked with Nirvana but after Siamese Dream came out they pretty much completely tore themselves from the label. Alice In Chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam...they were and still are considered grunge.

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Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	Hopped on the bandwagon!!! I can see why that could be aimed at STP but they had all the talent to carve out their own niche though and a vocalist to match the brilliance of Cornell, Vedder and Staley. Then there is hopping on the bandwagon like Bush did..............but without any talent of course.