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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
When you say did more, thats it somehow throws off the meaning. If you roust-abouts are going to say Zeppelin started metal, then Iron Maiden didn't create it, and as far as progression goes, I think people are more than happy to exersize a great amount of hyperbole to get their option to become convetional wisdom.
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Yeah, I know Maiden didn't create metal. But they practically did create power metal.
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Fact is, what Metallica did for Metal is unmeasureable. And I'd argue more so than Iron Maiden, both musically and culturally. They brought it up to par with classical music, now you have it safe an acceptible for string quartests and 4 cellos (apoc) to play metallica songs because it warrents it. We've gone on to find strings covering everything that was riff based and it comes up ****ty, mainly because it wasn't put together as well.
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Musically, I wouldn't say Metallica did much for metal besides structure it. There have always been metal bands who have had better musicians than Metallica.
However, musically, I think Maiden extended the role of a metal bassist much much more.
It depends what you mean by bringing metal up to par with classical - there has always been neo-classical metal such as Ozzy Osbourne and Yngwie Malmsteen.
It has always been acceptable for string quartets to play metal. It just hasn't been done that often; and Metallica is more likely to have it done, since they're hugely popular. The string quartet Metallica thing was very bad. But Apocalyptica's cello album was pretty good. There was a piano tribute to Maiden which worked very well.
Culturally, I'm not too sure, since I didn't live in that era. But metal was definitely quite popular before Metallica. There was a lot of metal culture before Metallica as far as I know. People always tell me about how big Priest and Maiden were, and how common it was to see young males in jeans/pants and a Maiden shirt.
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I don't know how many times I can say this, but there are two reasons metal kids don't sing lyrics based off last nights dungeons and dragons game: Black Sabbath and Metallica. Only two reasons. They both gave them socially aware lyrics but to be fair Sabbtah wasn't "metal" as much as you want to tell me Paranoid was the first metal song.
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I don't understand your point here. People would sing Metallica lyrics regardless of how good/bad they are, simply because they're popular and well known. Whereas bands with fantasy lyrics (i.e. power metal bands) aren't very popular. And even if their lyrics are the greatest in the world, metal kids would feel ashamed to be singing about such "pussy" topics like dragons etc.
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And no other band gave metal the shove into the world view like metallica. MOP had no videos and what I'll assume to be fractional radio play and it climb the charts like no other metal album had.
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Any band can do this, as long as their music is good/mainstream enough. Opeth has done this by being good, despite their music being unfriendly to mainstream and this is in a metal world which is harder to stand out in. Imagine if their music was friendly to mainstream. It just requires word of mouth. But I agree, Master of Puppets was an awesome album. It was good as well as mainstream, and all this was at the most convenient time in a relatively young metal world.
I'm not arguing with you, and I don't mean any hard feelings. But "influence" is a difficult topic. One could argue that there wouldn't be Metallica if it wasn't for NWOBHM. So Maiden could be arguably more influential here. But then again, so could Bob Dylan
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And I think influence extends further than popularity. Metallica's popularity is unquestionable. They created catchy metal that was suitable for mainstream, even if they weren't the greatest ever musicians (still good though). This led to their popularity. So they are more influential than Maiden in terms of numbers of fans and followers.
But when we're talking about which band did more for metal, it depends how you look at it. I don't think that making metal more popular is doing anything for it. But I think, creating a new genre is. Maiden is more influential here.
Overall, I agree Metallica is more influential. But my point all along has been that people shouldn't be so quick to say Metallica is more influential, even if they are. Because I think Maiden is more influential where it counts. I love both bands though.
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