Marilyn Manson
 

Hi guys i would be really thankful if you could let me know what you think of this two question. i need for my Media exam.


The influences of rock music and the contemporary rock
artist Marilyn Manson upon the youth of Today


Do you think the video could promote violence? What kind of person or things is influential these days? Why do you think they are influential?

thank you

Initially I would say he is bad influence, for the youth to see his existance at such a young age would definitely influence them about some things.

But Manson is actually a very bright guy. He guest lectures at Universities in the states an has been invited to speak at some conferences. It is a shame most youth will never see how smart Manson actually is until they are too nieve to accept that he is brains over image.

Of course video is influential. Anything on screen is influential these days.

This question is dumb, and im not yelling at you for it, im saying it in regards to the paper. People need to learn what we all were supposed to from our parents at a young age. You need to take responsibility for the things you do and not blame it on something else. If we allowed the excuse of "I was influenced by" to fly then we would have 2nd hand legal anarchy. People could just scapegoat someone for anything and we'd have to let it fly. Im sure for every one person who watches a manson video and does something stupid, there are 100 other people who watch it and go on living the same as they would have had they not seen the video. The very notion of blaming a musician for anything is rooted in the established view of whats right and whats wrong. No one blammed classical composers or jazz groups for violence, when it could have been just as vulgar. Did anyone condem Johnny Cash for writing the line "I shot a man in reno, just to watch him die"? Probably not, because he also wrote gospel music, and there for was accepted as a humanbeing, nevermind musician.

Mansons transgender line pushing has people born in 1950 feeling uncomfortable and so they blame him on corrupting the youth when we know that, potentially more detrimental, is those same parents repressing the youth to things they would like to do. Allowing people to try most things hardly corrupts, but the constant repression of desire is well documented as a mentally unbalancing act and should be condemed far for more than any "artist".

The very word artist to me should tell you that there is a degree of dishonesty, there this isn't entierly what someones about, yet a way to convey a message without blandly stating it.

Marilyn Manson sucks. dont waste your time

never heard a song by him we had this question in england

Despite been a scary transverstite goth freak who secialises in ****ty covers, Manson is completely harmless. He isnt really a satanist, hes just trying to piss every one off by pretending to be one

Sounds like a typical bullsh*t assignment from an overpaid instructor. Ask for a refund in tuition.

Manson doesn't sell records anymore, unless you count his pathetic covers of 80s pop songs. Kids who turn to him now most likely have already been influenced by something else to go buy his music. The assignment would have been more appropriate if it were given eight to ten years ago, when Manson was actually a media-scrutinized controversial band at their peak.
Teens are impressionable. They get influenced by just about anything. Pinpointing one artist, one band, one movement, or one sector of pop culture and correlating it to an increase in violence is a waste of time. There will never be a statistically significant study that relates a particular musician/video/song to an increase in violent behavior.

im a teen and manson has not influenced anything ive done and i love his music, or used to... all the good old bands seem to be going downhill nowadays

:rofl:

Manson made two of my favorite albums ever.(Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood)

Mech Animals was pretty solid

Portrait Of An American Family! It Rocks!

I love all the albums though.

Yes Marylin Manson is a bad influence, if he influences people to like his music that's bad because HE SUCKS. Seriously he's one ****ed up mother ****er.

I'd just like to say, he is not conformed. This is probably the only reason people think of him as such a creep. Ya he is creepy, but in a good way. He is different and does his own thing. That doesn't make him bad.

Marilyn Manson is very good at giving people exactly what they want- an antagonist. I have a great deal of respect for him because he's good at manipulating the public to make lots of cash.

Of course, Marilyn Manson is by no means the worst, I mean ****, anyone ever heard of BDF by Gwar? Gwar is of course a joke, but a lot of people don't get it. Marilyn Manson gets a lot of **** thrown at him because he broke into the mainstream but if anyone a) kills themselves because of his music or b) goes crazy and kills a bunch of people they were probably a waste of oxygen to begin with.

Well, i think he is a bad influence, in more ways than one, hes a horrible influence on kids, not to mention all of his fans who think that they can be goth just from wearing black and white make up and pearcings, without any idea of what goth is... And aside from teaching kids that satan worshiping, mindless violence and drug use is ok, he makes crappy music, and has influenced many other crappy bands in the process, so thats 2 crimes against humanity right there.

Edit: Also, he trys too hard to shock people, he dosent do anything new, even though many of his fans are lead to believe that, i mean seriously, David Bowie, Ozzy Osbourne, Alice Cooper and Iggy Pop was doing that kind of **** when Brian Warner was still in diapers. You cant shock people anymore.

Woo.
 

Alright, well, personally I'm a satanist. And in examples like "The Fight Song" he isnt meaning grab your friend and beat his face. It's more of fight against the current. His look is merely to show off his ideas, and to make him look "cooler". I'm not a huge fan of his, but he isnt a bad influence, children just take things the wrong way, and example would be, a girl in my school, huge fan of his, wants to know if when she tries magick (if somebody tries to correct my spelling I will smack them.) she should cut herself and drink the blood. Knowing better, I told her that would probably only make her arm hurt. Nowhere does Manson force anyone to rip their arms up and try to cast spells. He is her only connection to Satanism, yet she considers herself satanist, even though she knows nothing about it. Manson's music is his music, not satanic lore, and if by chance something does happen, it wasnt his fault.

Edit: And so you know, I wore all blue today. Light Blue. Jeans. Shirt. Blue.
Not goth.
Not a devil worshipper.
Blue.

Have fun.

GROSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

If you were to pick faults at every artists material for being influential I can think of much worse. Especially outside of the rock&metal arena. I don't think he's all that bad, he is so far out-there that most kids who listen to his stuff find it more of a fantasy, rather then a possibility. And I happen to think he makes good music, nothing great, but still good. He is a good vocalist, knows how to entertain a crowd (no matter how low the life forms are), and his music isn't technically fantastic but it still rocks. He's in the same category as all the other bands that aren't technical geniuses but still make good music. You know, the ones you and I and many others stick up for so often. As for material, you can't bag him for talking about drugs when thats what so many greats in the past have done such as GnR and Led Zeppelin, Eric Clapton and so on, he isn't the first and nor will he be the last.

The Darkness sure as hell shocked me.

Meh, fair enough.

i think he's great.

meh, I honestly don't think its that much of a problem. the media needs to give kids some credit. I doubt that the majority of the MTV generation will all grow up to be mass murderers after watching a few manson videos. Now, in the few isolated cases where some poor kid kills themself or slaughters a goat on their parent's brand new carpet because they thought manson said it was cool and they die or are killed by their parents for staining the new carpet then hey, maybe they deserve to die for being that fucking dumb. You call it a threat to society, I call it darwinism.

You have a very high opinion of him :tramp:

(PS - AGREE!!)

Nice.
 

:crazy:
thats great. Amazing. You editted my post. Nice job.
Just hope I don't find you on a sunday now.
:finger:

Nice one, man!

hes awesome i have 2 of his cds

Don't be an ass hole

manson is great.just untouchable

Yeah because he looks like a pan old sh*t and nobody wants to touch him.YUCK!

You are right about this but his music is great

Ok I agrees with you there..

If things are explained to kids as art and creative expression, and they don't take everything literally or in disgust then it cannot be personally influential.

..mmm...

Marilyn Manson is not Krazy, he's a genius!
 

people i talk to that don't like him are just saying so because they have no idea what he stands for. they just think, oh he's a satanist . . . He's actually a very smart guy who has opinions about important subjects. just read sum quotes by him . . .

1. “The burden of originality is one that most people don't want to accept. They'd rather sit in front of the TV and let that tell them what they're supposed to like, what they're supposed to buy, and what they're supposed to laugh at.”

2. “You should have to pass an IQ test before you breed. You have to take a driving test to operate vehicles and an SAT test to get into college. So why dont you have to take some sort of test before you give birth to children? When I am President, thats the first rule I will institute.”

3. “what happens someday if more people own my record than the bible? that will make me god because a lot more people believe in me than him? Because itsjust about popularity. ther are plenty of people in the world how have never heard of jesus, while America takes him for granted. The key is to change what is popular. that's why rather than submit to to the mainstream, you have to become it _ then over come it”

4. “Marilyn Monroe wasn't even her real name, Charles Manson isn't his real name, and now, I'm taking that to be my real name. But what's real? You can't find the truth, you just pick the lie you like the best.”

5. “It's the whole Nietzche philosophy of you are your own God. That's why I debase myself in the concerts and tell people to spit on me. I'm saying to them 'You are no different from me'.”

6. “i talked to Snoop doggy dogg today. well I'm not sure if you could realy call it talked because I could hardly understand what he was saying. But i think he was trying to communicate was that he wanted to work with me in some sort of capacity and something involving marijuana.”

7. “And that's the type of thing I'm trying to speak out against the most, religion controlling what we see and what we do in our personal lives, even if you're not a part of that religion. Antichrist Superstar[the album] is a challenge really, to traditional morality and it's...to make people question that and make people think about different perspectives.”

I really like Marilyn Manson for his ballsiness and he's a decent songwriter too!

1. Marilyn Manson has yet to contribute a decent original song to music. The only song he ever did that was passable was a cover "Tainted Love"

2. He quoted Nietzche (i spelled this wrong i know) wrong, the man never said somene could become god, he said there are not gods.

Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails are absolutly horrendous.

Marilyn Manson is far from original.

He's entertaining. And the music has a good industrial beat. I would go as far to name him an amazing lyricist or a great vocalist though....entertaining, like I said.

I have two of their albums Holy Wood and Mechanical Animals they're good. The stuff before it was okay, I can't stand the new stuff. He doesn't put out anything decent anymore, unless you considered those crappy pop covers to be good. The whole thing isn't even that shocking or controversial anymore.

Mechanical Animals was pretty good. And a friend of mine decided to finally listen, to check out just how controversial it was, and she listened to newer stuff and ws like "my mom never let me listen to THIS?"

And I appreciate the quote in the sig. rofl. I stand by that.