Marilyn Manson

skaltezon · 08-02-2011, 07:51 PM

Mobscene

**Janszoon** · 08-02-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

Having a video in circulation on Headbanger's Ball doesn't make a band mainstream. If you really wanted to split hairs, one could make the argument that the Black Album, Use Your Illusion II, and For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge are more hard rock albums than they are metal...

You could make that argument, but considering that a few posts ago you seemed to be arguing that the death of glam metal meant the death of metal in general, you'd then be kind of undermining your own argument.

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...but Far Beyond Driven is lightyears away from those albums in terms of heaviness. That's what makes that Pantera album unique. And just to clarify, 1990 was mentioned to signal the change in Pantera's sound. Their #1 record was released in 1994.

Sounds like their calculated change in image paid off!

noise · 08-02-2011, 08:42 PM

I was a big fan during his early years. Nowadays, I can only tolerate Mechanical Animals, and a few tracks off of Smells Like Children. The rest is just obnoxious.

Metal Connoisseur · 08-02-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You could make that argument, but considering that a few posts ago you seemed to be arguing that the death of glam metal meant the death of metal in general, you'd then be kind of undermining your own argument.

Was glam/hair metal not the predominant form of mainstream metal in the 80's? When that scene ended, didn't people write off metal as the commercial cash cow that it had been in the previous decade?

I feel as though we've digressed from Mr. Manson long enough. Feel free to have the last word if you like.

**Janszoon** · 08-02-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

Was glam/hair metal not the predominant form of mainstream metal in the 80's?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

When that scene ended, didn't people write off metal as the commercial cash cow that it had been in the previous decade?

Maybe they wrote off glam metal, but not metal in general. Why would they when Metallica was one of the best selling bands around?

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I feel as though we've digressed from Mr. Manson long enough. Feel free to have the last word if you like.

Okie-doke.

skaltezon · 08-02-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by noise

I was a big fan during his early years. Nowadays, I can only tolerate Mechanical Animals, and a few tracks off of Smells Like Children.

Speed Of Pain

noise · 08-02-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by skaltezon

Speed Of Pain

Yes! Also Great Big Wide World, Disassociative, Last Day On Earth and Coma White. Good album.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 08-02-2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Maybe they wrote off glam metal, but not metal in general. Why would they when Metallica was one of the best selling bands around?

It is generally accepted that metal hit a low point in mainstream popularity in the US after glam metal ended, despite the success of Metallica. That is how the term "New Wave of American Heavy Metal" came about. It kind of started with Pantera in the early nineties, but really took off in the late nineties with nu metal acts and that mainstream momentum has continued to grow with many different genres (especially melodic metalcore).

skaltezon · 08-02-2011, 10:02 PM

Sneer · 08-02-2011, 10:04 PM

Mechanical Animals, Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood are good albums, to this day I'd still happily listen to songs like The Nobodies and Tourniquet.

I used to be quite obsessed with his Sweet Dreams cover as a 15 year old too.

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Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	Mechanical Animals, Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood are good albums, to this day I'd still happily listen to songs like The Nobodies and Tourniquet. I used to be quite obsessed with his Sweet Dreams cover as a 15 year old too. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

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